PauloPerth Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Being international break, I have gone full geek (never go full geek) and compiled a table of the last 5 seasons in Scottish football in terms of 'success'. It serves no real purpose whatsoever, other than to highlight how brilliantly consistent St Johnstone have been , and has probably been done before. The amount of points awarded for each achievement is very arbitrary and debatable. Should possibly be points deducted for seasons outwith the top league, but haven't done that here. The two things that stand out for me are: how few different clubs have finished top 6 over the 5 seasons, and how pish Celtic have been in Cups relative to their league dominance. Key: LEAGUE: 15 pts for Champions, 5 pts for 2nd, 4 pts for 3rd, 3 pts for 4th, 2 pts for 5th, 1 pt for 6th. 0 pts others SCOTTISH CUP: 12 pts to SC winners, 3 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. LEAGUE CUP: 11 pts to LC winners, 2 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. EUROPE: 1 point for qualifying for Europe each season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Greenock Morton posted missing. Also you appear to have given Rangers a 2nd place finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Upto start of this season. Their time will come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Why didn't you just work out a cumulative total for all league points over five seasons? Do it for the premier league and f**k the seaside leagues. Far more accurate imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duszek Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Ah yes, we'll always be in Ayr United's shadow. Them and their 30th place finish, and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Since 2012-13 to now courtesy of statto.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, deej said: I like this one better as it hides our complete ineptitude in cup competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Nightmare said: I like this one better as it hides our complete ineptitude in cup competitions. I like it better because it doesn't have a pointless arbitrary scoring system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, CountyFan said: I like it better because it doesn't have a pointless arbitrary scoring system. That may well be, but it's not very fucking colourful is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Dundee fans will be along in a minute to ask if you could include the sixties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Inspired by OP I created this masterpiece! Points totals for all 42 league clubs over the last five years (not including this year so no Edinburgh City) but with points totals for each year given extra precedence depending on the league. Top flight clubs get their points total multiplied by four, championship/1st division by three, then by two and league two/3rd division clubs points total left as is. Then these totals all added together. If you cba clicking here's how it turnt out: Celtic Aberdeen Motherwell St. Johnstone ICT Hearts Dundee United Ross County Rangers/Sevco* Hibernian Partick Thistle Hamilton Accies Falkirk Dundee Kilmarnock QotS St. Mirren Raith Rovers Morton Livingston Dumbarton Dunfermline Cowdenbeath Brechin City Ayr United Forfar Alloa Athletic Airdrie Stranraer Stenhousemuir Peterhead Arbroath East Fife Albion Rovers Annan Queen's Park Stirling Elgin City Berwick Clyde Montrose East Stirling *I included Sevco/Rangers as one club. If I never Sevco would drop down to 20th and Rangers (RIP) would be 36th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Quite like the concept but for a scoring system I'd go with something like: LEAGUE (top flight only): 1st - 12pts 2nd - 11 pts 3rd - 10 pts ... 12th - 1 pt SCOTTISH CUP: Winner: 9 pts Runner-up: 6 pts Semi-final: 3 pts SCOTTISH LEAGUE CUP: Winner: 12 pts Runner-up: 6 pts EUROPE: 1pt for every competitive win in the Europa League qualifying rounds/group stage/knockout round 2pt for every competitive win in the Champions League qualifying rounds/group stage/knockout round Celtic are going to end up with a ridiculously high points total, and I'm not sure how fairly to weight each individual trophy so just made it so any silverware won is valued at 12 pts in total. edit: I think I'm weighting wins in Europe quite heavily! Plus there's no reflection in the system for draws or wins over seeded opponents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 League cup worth more than the Scottish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 hours ago, PauloPerth said: Being international break, I have gone full geek (never go full geek) and compiled a table of the last 5 seasons in Scottish football in terms of 'success'. It serves no real purpose whatsoever, other than to highlight how brilliantly consistent St Johnstone have been , and has probably been done before. The amount of points awarded for each achievement is very arbitrary and debatable. Should possibly be points deducted for seasons outwith the top league, but haven't done that here. The two things that stand out for me are: how few different clubs have finished top 6 over the 5 seasons, and how pish Celtic have been in Cups relative to their league dominance. Key: LEAGUE: 15 pts for Champions, 5 pts for 2nd, 4 pts for 3rd, 3 pts for 4th, 2 pts for 5th, 1 pt for 6th. 0 pts others SCOTTISH CUP: 12 pts to SC winners, 3 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. LEAGUE CUP: 11 pts to LC winners, 2 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. EUROPE: 1 point for qualifying for Europe each season Hibs are considerably better than Hearts in the Scottish cup in recent years.... and stats set to look even better (for Hibs) soon Just 5 points for 2nd in league though, seems a bit harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, tree house tam said: League cup worth more than the Scottish? SCOTTISH CUP: 12 pts to SC winners, 3 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. LEAGUE CUP: 11 pts to LC winners, 2 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Booker-T said: Just 5 points for 2nd in league though, seems a bit harsh. Yes possibly, i just felt there should be a big gap between points for winning and being runner-up. But maybe you're right, it's a bit much. 7 minutes ago, Booker-T said: SCOTTISH CUP: 12 pts to SC winners, 3 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. LEAGUE CUP: 11 pts to LC winners, 2 pts to runners-up, 1 pt to losing semi-finalists. Finalists don't get additional points for SF's. Think Tam was talking about the post above his, where the Thistle fan had the League Cup worth more points than the Scottish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Thistle_do_nicely said: Quite like the concept but for a scoring system I'd go with something like: LEAGUE (top flight only): 1st - 12pts 2nd - 11 pts 3rd - 10 pts ... 12th - 1 pt SCOTTISH CUP: Winner: 9 pts Runner-up: 6 pts Semi-final: 3 pts SCOTTISH LEAGUE CUP: Winner: 12 pts Runner-up: 6 pts EUROPE: 1pt for every competitive win in the Europa League qualifying rounds/group stage/knockout round 2pt for every competitive win in the Champions League qualifying rounds/group stage/knockout round Celtic are going to end up with a ridiculously high points total, and I'm not sure how fairly to weight each individual trophy so just made it so any silverware won is valued at 12 pts in total. edit: I think I'm weighting wins in Europe quite heavily! Plus there's no reflection in the system for draws or wins over seeded opponents... socialist IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Yes possibly, i just felt there should be a big gap between points for winning and being runner-up. But maybe you're right, it's a bit much. Think Tam was talking about the post above his, where the Thistle fan had the League Cup worth more points than the Scottish. ah, sorry @tree house tam my very bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR #1 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Worst thread I've ever read. What's the point of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girth Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Can't be arsed reading this...is it at all interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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