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Whitletts have emailed all clubs with copies of the 2 AGM motions. Any club that hasn't received this should contact Whitletts with their up to date contact info. So discussions could already be under way, no need to wait for the West Region to send out the AGM papers. I understand that all motions will be discussed at the April general meeting after which there is a 7 day period for motions to be changed by the proposer and for amendments to be submitted. These are all then voted on at the AGM.

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The Whitletts proposal has been well documented. It's the alternative proposals which were rumoured to be coming which nobody seems to know. The longer they take to come out, the less time people have to debate them properly. Whitletts have done well with their timing in my opinion, and at the moment all that can be debated is their proposal or the status quo.

 

 

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According to Vics chairman on Nugent4nil last week, the Whitletts proposal has already been altered due to feedback from clubs. 4 leagues all in off 16 teams, which i think is better than the original proposal

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Clubs that had drawn up draft reconstruction proposals, including Whitletts and Pollok, got together with several others who had expressed interest to produce the final version that has now been submitted as an AGM motion. Johnstone Burgh have submitted a motion independently; other clubs still have the opportunity to do so before the deadline of 31st March.

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8 hours ago, clash city rocker said:

4 all in leagues of 16 , 3 up 3 down. Why does the juniors always make something so easy so bloody difficult ?

 

2 hours ago, glensmad said:

That's pretty much the Whitletts proposal.

The JB proposal I saw included that (although with a different way of achieving it) but also advocated changing kickoff time to 2.30 or 3pm and combining the Ayrshire and Central Sectional cups

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Unless I'm mistaken, the Whitletts propsal I have seen needs one correction to make the numbers work out. It has the bottom three teams in next season's Central District League Division One going into the new bottom league, but the grid they have provided to illustrate it shows that it should only be the bottom two teams, so a wording change will likely be required before the proposal can be voted on. Other than that I think it's a very sensible proposal, although I'd be keen to see the Johnstone Burgh proposal as well if they are suggesting a different way of achieving the same outcome.

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4 minutes ago, glensmad said:

Unless I'm mistaken, the Whitletts propsal I have seen needs one correction to make the numbers work out. It has the bottom three teams in next season's Central District League Division One going into the new bottom league, but the grid they have provided to illustrate it shows that it should only be the bottom two teams, so a wording change will likely be required before the proposal can be voted on. Other than that I think it's a very sensible proposal, although I'd be keen to see the Johnstone Burgh proposal as well if they are suggesting a different way of achieving the same outcome.

I haven't seen any such grid but the wording of the motion is perfectly clear.

Where did you get this grid from?

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8 minutes ago, archieb said:

I haven't seen any such grid but the wording of the motion is perfectly clear.

Where did you get this grid from?

It was sent out to the clubs recently for them to peruse and discuss. There are currently 14 teams in the Central District Division One, and the teams that finish 4th to 12th in that league next season would go into the 3rd tier of the proposed new set-up. That leaves only 2 teams to drop down into the 4th tier which is backed up by the grid, but the wording says 3 teams.

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And unless the JB motion has been changed from what their proposal originally said, it had only 2 Ayrshire teams going into the 3rd level division but 7 going into the 4th, bottom division so not really equitable and no way an improvement on the strategy suggested by the Whitletts group of clubs

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6 minutes ago, glensmad said:

It was sent out to the clubs recently for them to peruse and discuss. There are currently 14 teams in the Central District Division One, and the teams that finish 4th to 12th in that league next season would go into the 3rd tier of the proposed new set-up. That leaves only 2 teams to drop down into the 4th tier which is backed up by the grid, but the wording says 3 teams.

It's based on the situation expected at the end of season 2017-18. Look at the current League table for Super League Div 1 - barring some very unlikely results, one Ayrshire team will be relegated and 3 Central teams. So next season there will be 11 teams in the Ayrshire Division and 15 teams in Central Div 1.

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6 minutes ago, archieb said:

It's based on the situation expected at the end of season 2017-18. Look at the current League table for Super League Div 1 - barring some very unlikely results, one Ayrshire team will be relegated and 3 Central teams. So next season there will be 11 teams in the Ayrshire Division and 15 teams in Central Div 1.

That's fair enough, but the grid and wording is also based on there being 12 teams in the Ayrshire League at the end of next season, not 11. I appreciate that it's a flexible thing that can't really be finalised until we know the final numbers at the end of the season. Either way the wording will likely require to be changed slightly to suit the actual numbers before the voting. Thanks for that clarification.

It would be interesting to see the Johnstone Burgh alternative to get to the same outcome.

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16 minutes ago, glensmad said:

That's fair enough, but the grid and wording is also based on there being 12 teams in the Ayrshire League at the end of next season, not 11. I appreciate that it's a flexible thing that can't really be finalised until we know the final numbers at the end of the season. Either way the wording will likely require to be changed slightly to suit the actual numbers before the voting. Thanks for that clarification.

It would be interesting to see the Johnstone Burgh alternative to get to the same outcome.

I haven't seen the grid you refer to but if it is as you describe then it is wrong. It does not constitute part of the motion however and it is the motion that will be discussed and voted on, not any illustrative grid

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23 minutes ago, archieb said:

I haven't seen the grid you refer to but if it is as you describe then it is wrong. It does not constitute part of the motion however and it is the motion that will be discussed and voted on, not any illustrative grid

Good point, and assuming three Central teams are relegated from this season's Super League Division One (as seems likely) then the wording of the motion is correct.

Thanks for that clarification.

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