Jimbo Jagsfan Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 The Donald is right-wing and runs for the Republican Party. He appeals to the bible belt in the southern sates. He then becomes more populist and targets the blue-collar workers in the American rust belt, which should be more left-leaning, He goes for the right and the left of the political spectrum and doesn't bother about the middle ground. He gets to be the president of the USA. The FN was a right-wing party started by Marine's father. She takes over, softens it down and moves it away from its southern France bastion now goes after the hard left socialist and communists in the northern France areas of declining industry. She goes for the right and left of the political spectrum. Does she get to be president of France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Ne wid pas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 People thought Brexit would be a good idea. Anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 IS will be voting for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I still think that whoever is in the run-off against her (Macron especially) will beat her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I still think that whoever is in the run-off against her (Macron especially) will beat her. That seems to be the general opinion of those French that I know. They are not as 100% sure as 6 months ago but still can't see FN winning. Of course before Penelopegate Filon was a shoe in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I still think that whoever is in the run-off against her (Macron especially) will beat her. That seems the perceived wisdom. It can be dressed up in different clothes but this is as close to a fascist party as you can get. There are French folk still living who will have experienced the Nazi occupation and many of their immediate descendants who would have grown up with the stories of it. To think so many would vote FN is sad and demoralising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 48 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: That seems the perceived wisdom. It can be dressed up in different clothes but this is as close to a fascist party as you can get. There are French folk still living who will have experienced the Nazi occupation and many of their immediate descendants who would have grown up with the stories of it. To think so many would vote FN is sad and demoralising. There are probably more surviving French who collaborated than resisted, including everyone who just carried on with their jobs under new management, and weren't that fussed about identifying Jewish neighbours if asked. No doubt it would have been the same in Britain if they'd successfully invaded. Old people here, with closer memories of the dangers of a fractured Europe, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I expect the French to reject the FN message of division and hatred, the same way I expected Britain to reject Brexit and America to reject Trump, because of basic rational and moral sense. It would be great if France, Holland and Germany fight back and reject the momentum of neo-fascism, it could inspire a renewed confidence in a Europe of cooperating liberal democracies. Time for another spliff before the hope dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 The electoral system means she basically can't win. In the second round of voting she would need over 50 per cent of the vote which won't happen. The same system resulted in a hammering in the run off vote for her father in 2003? I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 So Francois Fillon has just had a press conference where he's said he's going to be placed under formal investigation, and he still won't quit.Macron/Le Pen it is then! Although it's France, so who knows, he might shoot up in the opinion polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 11 hours ago, welshbairn said: There are probably more surviving French who collaborated than resisted, including everyone who just carried on with their jobs under new management, and weren't that fussed about identifying Jewish neighbours if asked. No doubt it would have been the same in Britain if they'd successfully invaded. Old people here, with closer memories of the dangers of a fractured Europe, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I expect the French to reject the FN message of division and hatred, the same way I expected Britain to reject Brexit and America to reject Trump, because of basic rational and moral sense. It would be great if France, Holland and Germany fight back and reject the momentum of neo-fascism, it could inspire a renewed confidence in a Europe of cooperating liberal democracies. Time for another spliff before the hope dies. That's a pretty incredible comment; don't know if it's just a throwaway line or if you have some evidence of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: That's a pretty incredible comment; don't know if it's just a throwaway line or if you have some evidence of this. Just common sense. Life expectancy in the resistance was brief, and most ordinary people tend to keep their heads down when there's trouble. For example, the French police did most of the work of identifying and rounding up Jews, even in Vichy territory where they did it voluntarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Aye passive resistance of the state would've involved a far greater amount of people you would imagine than those who actively resisted. That's not to denigrate those that collaborated. It's a choice that we as a country never had to face and it's probably why we have this unique nonsense blitz spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Just common sense. Life expectancy in the resistance was brief, and most ordinary people tend to keep their heads down when there's trouble. For example, the French police did most of the work of identifying and rounding up Jews, even in Vichy territory where they did it voluntarily. 10 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Aye passive resistance of the state would've involved a far greater amount of people you would imagine than those who actively resisted. That's not to denigrate those that collaborated. It's a choice that we as a country never had to face and it's probably why we have this unique nonsense blitz spirit. Aye, I suppose it's how you interperate 'resistance' and 'collaborater'. Maybe I would be less harsh than welshbairn's view. As NotThePars says, it's not a situation that we've never had to face; and hopefully never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 12 hours ago, welshbairn said: There are probably more surviving French who collaborated than resisted, including everyone who just carried on with their jobs under new management, and weren't that fussed about identifying Jewish neighbours if asked. No doubt it would have been the same in Britain if they'd successfully invaded. Old people here, with closer memories of the dangers of a fractured Europe, voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I expect the French to reject the FN message of division and hatred, the same way I expected Britain to reject Brexit and America to reject Trump, because of basic rational and moral sense. It would be great if France, Holland and Germany fight back and reject the momentum of neo-fascism, it could inspire a renewed confidence in a Europe of cooperating liberal democracies. Time for another spliff before the hope dies. One of Marine's promises a decade back (the first time she showed how pissed off she was with her dad & his mates) was if she ever got into power, there would be a full investigation into France's role in the Holocaust with prosecutions for profiteers & those who knew full well what they were doing. Amongst those oft fingered as being a more than willing Holocaust collaberator was a certain President Mitterand. Times change, & whilst there are still dinosaurs amongst the far left & far right, there are also those as much influenced by modern attitudes to gender, sexuality, etc. Plus the FN went rather funny when word came out a sizeable number of Jews & gays voted for them because their fear of the far right was less than their fear of Islamobigots: it certainly appears some of them went through an epiphany & realised they needed to be a lot broader church not so much to get power so much as that for many they were all they had left if they wanted any chance of stopping France being run by successive governments similar to the British Tories, ie. Cuts cuts cuts. France is at a crossroads, but they'll sort themselves out & it will remain a pluralist society, no matter what happens elsewhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39141391?ocid=socialflow_twitter Marine Le Pen loses immunity from prosecution over IS images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39141391?ocid=socialflow_twitter Marine Le Pen loses immunity from prosecution over IS images France could save a fortune by closing the Presidential Palace and running the country from the Bastille. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 On 28/02/2017 at 16:45, Jimbo Jagsfan said: The Donald is right-wing and runs for the Republican Party. He appeals to the bible belt in the southern sates. He then becomes more populist and targets the blue-collar workers in the American rust belt, which should be more left-leaning, He goes for the right and the left of the political spectrum and doesn't bother about the middle ground. He gets to be the president of the USA. The FN was a right-wing party started by Marine's father. She takes over, softens it down and moves it away from its southern France bastion now goes after the hard left socialist and communists in the northern France areas of declining industry. She goes for the right and left of the political spectrum. Does she get to be president of France? Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 What's the reasoning behind it being illegal for a politician to show photos of what another government is engaged in? Does the same standard apply to people who would tweet photos of people injured by US bombs? Why would the EU parliament or the French government want to make her a free speech martyr? Surely a conviction would only spread her message farther and make her more popular? Or am I wrong on that? I know next to nothing about French politics other than that it's considered odd for their politicians to not have sex scandals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 The crooked media are out to get her apparently. http://www.lemonde.fr/actualite-medias/article/2017/03/06/bfm-tv-et-rmc-face-aux-critiques-de-marine-le-pen_5089848_3236.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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