HibeeJibee Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, ftk said: I'm pretty sure this leaked info about the improved BT deal is to soften the blow for when the spfl inform us of the 8-8-8 split. They will say clubs must vote it in or BT will walk away. Intriguing. That would be mega-"what's the catch". If so, the question will surely be - did Doncaster go to them with this as part of his offer? Or did BT ask for it? I struggle to see how it makes much difference to BT, anyway. Particularly as we all accept Scottish football - OF games aside, perhaps - isn't a top-line acquisition or spend for them. Worthwhile, perhaps important, but not fundamental. Currently they get 38 Premiership matchdays; the split comes after 33 games; and they get 6 knockout playoff matches involving 2nd-4th in Championship and 11th in Premiership. Under the 12-12 > 8-8-8 everyone plays 36 games which is 2 matchdays fewer; the split comes after only 22 games; and there are no playoffs. It's been argued there could be more "excitement" - but the Bottom 8 has nothing to play for bar avoiding relegation, and once set for the Middle 8 you've nothing to play for until post-split (and then you've nothing to play for once you're set for the top or bottom half). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Randy Giles said: Chris Sutton and his severe dislike for Rangers is pretty much bennett's entire reason for liking Sky more than BT, since Sky just pander to the bigots. Surely a match pundit at bt 'caring' sports would be more professional than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Bt 'caring' sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Ken Fitlike said: BT could boost the league by insisting on a more equitable distribution of the pot. This isn't in BT's gift but there is a lot of sense if we took 80% of the TV money and divided it equally by 42 clubs and then used the balance to support lower leagues/development. I don't expect it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 12 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: This isn't in BT's gift but there is a lot of sense if we took 80% of the TV money and divided it equally by 42 clubs and then used the balance to support lower leagues/development. I don't expect it to happen. Someone propose this to Ann Budge and film the reaction, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 16 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Pointing out the presence of a former Celtic player is not the best rebuttal to the claim that they're pandering to the Old Firm, tbh. I wouldnt even claim butcher is any sort of a pundit, he's a fucking and clown and only there to make sutton look intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 1/19/2017 at 23:44, Marr1 said: You could have Financial Advice shows such as Get Rich With Romanov and Craig Whyte's How to Buy a multi-million pound company for just £1 and then lose said £1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 15 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Intriguing. That would be mega-"what's the catch". If so, the question will surely be - did Doncaster go to them with this as part of his offer? Or did BT ask for it? I struggle to see how it makes much difference to BT, anyway. Particularly as we all accept Scottish football - OF games aside, perhaps - isn't a top-line acquisition or spend for them. Worthwhile, perhaps important, but not fundamental. Currently they get 38 Premiership matchdays; the split comes after 33 games; and they get 6 knockout playoff matches involving 2nd-4th in Championship and 11th in Premiership. Under the 12-12 > 8-8-8 everyone plays 36 games which is 2 matchdays fewer; the split comes after only 22 games; and there are no playoffs. It's been argued there could be more "excitement" - but the Bottom 8 has nothing to play for bar avoiding relegation, and once set for the Middle 8 you've nothing to play for until post-split (and then you've nothing to play for once you're set for the top or bottom half). at least with 12-12 8-8-8 setup, you don't end up playing the same team away 3 times. personally i'd rather have 18 or 20 team top league even at expense of a better tv deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Booker-T said: at least with 12-12 8-8-8 setup, you don't end up playing the same team away 3 times. personally i'd rather have 18 or 20 team top league even at expense of a better tv deal Clubs will never vote that in, aside from the top 5 and the worst 3, the rest will inevitably have utterly bollocks meaningless games by the time valentines day hits, trying to keep fans occupied when your too good to be dragged into the relegation fight but too shit to challenge for europe will be brutal for clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McQueen Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 It was the wiping out of point that is yhe problem with the 8-8-8.Team defo in bottom 4 has no reason to try in last few games as even if they win the points go back to zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 51 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: It was the wiping out of point that is yhe problem with the 8-8-8. Team defo in bottom 4 has no reason to try in last few games as even if they win the points go back to zero. I'm not even going to pretend I know anything about the 8-8-8, or wiping out of points, but the bat shit mental structure of the leagues in Belgium involves halving point totals at one point - with 0.5s being rounded up. Could that provide motivation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Sky Sports News just did a round up of the Scottish Premiership there. Highlights of the Rangers v Hamilton game, interview with the Rangers manager and then a chat with Brendan Rogers ahead of the Dundee v Celtic match. Says it all about what they think about the league TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkboy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 It'll be so good having to never see or listen to Andy Walker ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Noticed the story on Thursday morning, if it's £32m or so I'll be still be slightly disappointed however, if it reaches close to £40m then I'll be quite content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Judge Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 What about a deal where rather than pay for the rights to televise the matches they pay each club to allow them to let spectators in for free? It gives you live matches with actual atmosphere (which is what sets makes a lot of English football decent to watch...even outside EPL), clubs don't lose out financially on ticket sales and they even make more from matchday services like merch and food/drink. Obviously it would be staggered as Celtic at the top would need more than Hamilton at the bottom but it might get more people to games. In my experience players (at every level) try harder when they have a crowd cheering them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 What about a deal where rather than pay for the rights to televise the matches they pay each club to allow them to let spectators in for free? It gives you live matches with actual atmosphere (which is what sets makes a lot of English football decent to watch...even outside EPL), clubs don't lose out financially on ticket sales and they even make more from matchday services like merch and food/drink. Obviously it would be staggered as Celtic at the top would need more than Hamilton at the bottom but it might get more people to games. In my experience players (at every level) try harder when they have a crowd cheering them on. Are you serious? You want the TV company giving money based on who they televise, with Celtic getting the most money, and them also inevitably being shown the most? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 hour ago, The_Judge said: What about a deal where rather than pay for the rights to televise the matches they pay each club to allow them to let spectators in for free? It gives you live matches with actual atmosphere (which is what sets makes a lot of English football decent to watch...even outside EPL), clubs don't lose out financially on ticket sales and they even make more from matchday services like merch and food/drink. Obviously it would be staggered as Celtic at the top would need more than Hamilton at the bottom but it might get more people to games. In my experience players (at every level) try harder when they have a crowd cheering them on. Quite possibly the very worst idea in the entire history of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubford don Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 It's quite sad that no matter who shows the matches Scottish footballs main selling point is the 4 bigotfests between to absolute showers of shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 It's quite sad that no matter who shows the matches Scottish footballs main selling point is the 4 bigotfests between to absolute showers of shite And this is the sad truth that is never spoken.Our "unique selling point" in the Scottish game has nothing to do with football really. It's the noise and aggro of an old firm match.You can tell sky sports get an erection every time they can advertise a rivalry based on RELIGION AND POLITICS. Sadly the commercialism of football/tv these days means it is more important to sell yourself to people outside of Scotland than it is to appeal to people within the country.A simple game of football simply isn't that appealing to the mass market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 How many games a weekend is this deal for?Why not start the weekend with a lower league game on a Friday night then use 2 Sunday slots at 2pm and 4pm as we might have someone who actually promotes our game rather than using it as a filler for English football. Call it Scottish Sunday or something on those lines, promote the game and it avoids lunchtime kick offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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