Hard Brexit: Relation to Scottish Independence.

[welshbairn]

 

9 hours ago, McSpreader said:

May looks strong, in control and determined to deliver a good Brexit for Britain.

Europe doesn't seem too intimidated.

[Wee Willie]

23 minutes ago, HTG said:

EU nationals will cause a big swing from 2014. That demographic alone may tip the balance. Also, some of the more risk averse pensioners may be deid. And the new batch of 16 year olds will almost certainly be overwhelmingly Yes.

Predictions usually bite ye in the bum.
When I were a lad (1963) I thought that everybody my age would vote for Scotland and independence.
I was sadly proved wrong and it's only now we are edging towards that promise.

[McSpreader]

10 hours ago, Antiochas III said:

When did requiring to import more stuff become better than not?  

Also threatening trade blocks or nations you import stuff from only works if a.  You can produce that stuff by yourself, b. You can get it elsewhere.  

The flip side of that being.......why make it harder to sell your products to a major consumer.

Trade opens doors....it doesn't close them.

The free trade deals we will create around the world will compensate if there is a loss of trade either to or from the EU.

I don't understand why you wouldn't support free trade deals. The type of market place that the EU has created is discriminatory and penalises emerging economies leading to stagnation and emigration. Free trade deals do the opposite.

[WILLIEA]

8 hours ago, NotThePars said:

I'm curious as to how May has shown strong leadership in, well, anything other than the perverted fantasies of Tories.

Her speech yesterday was vacuous nonsense.

Mayism = " talks a lot , achieves nothing "

[McSpreader]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

 

Europe doesn't seem too intimidated.

Bollocks, they're bricking it !

[AUFC90]

5 minutes ago, McSpreader said:

The flip side of that being.......why make it harder to sell your products to a major consumer.

Trade opens doors....it doesn't close them.

The free trade deals we will create around the world will compensate if there is a loss of trade either to or from the EU.

I don't understand why you wouldn't support free trade deals. The type of market place that the EU has created is discriminatory and penalises emerging economies leading to stagnation and emigration. Free trade deals do the opposite.

Free trade deals with the likes of Australia and New Zealand will in no way make up for a non free trade deal with a trading block of 600 million, comprised of some of the most powerful economies in the world, on our doorstep. The car industry was saying yesterday that they reckon if there isn't free trade with Europe it could cost £1500 more per car to make one in the UK than it would on the European mainland. But New Zealand and stuff.

[McSpreader]

Just now, WILLIEA said:

Her speech yesterday was vacuous nonsense.

Mayism = " talks a lot , achieves nothing "

Give her a chance. She hasn't had a lot of time to prepare and she's held her nerve brilliantly. Compare her to oor nic, running around snarling and bitter, trying to be relevant.

Sturgeon had her chance to be involved but prefers the role of annoying, noisy neighbour.

May has played her hand well so far and the poor cards she was dealt have improved as other's have played their badly and as new cards have been dealt ( trump , quick trade deals promised, EU industry support etc)

2 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

Free trade deals with the likes of Australia and New Zealand will in no way make up for a non free trade deal with a trading block of 500 billion, comprised of some of the most powerful economies in the world, on our doorstep. The car industry was saying yesterday that they reckon if there isn't free trade with Europe it could cost £1500 more per car to make one in the UK than it would on the European mainland. But New Zealand and stuff.

It's just the start and it's a good start, then there's India and stuff.....plus we WILL trade with the EU.........

Positivity please.............. a positive mind set achieves positive results 

[doulikefish]

6 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

Free trade deals with the likes of Australia and New Zealand will in no way make up for a non free trade deal with a trading block of 600 million, comprised of some of the most powerful economies in the world, on our doorstep. The car industry was saying yesterday that they reckon if there isn't free trade with Europe it could cost £1500 more per car to make one in the UK than it would on the European mainland. But New Zealand and stuff.

Pakistan you forgot Pakistan

[NotThePars]

The arguments for May on this thread are complete waffle. Earning the respect of Brexiteers and securing herself more years at the helm of a sinking ship doesn't demonstrate strong leadership.

She's at the head of a clown collective of people that have repeatedly contradicted her and contradicted their own pledges and promises during the campaign.

The Brexit plan doesn't even merit a white paper apparently, just an, erm, speech which is a sure sign of knowing exactly what you're after. It's patently obvious she's prepared to walk away with no deal because she knows half of what we were seeking just isn't going to happen. Look how quickly people are reneging on their support for the single market now that the EU is stating freedom of movement is non-negotiable.

[AUFC90]

3 minutes ago, McSpreader said:

Give her a chance. She hasn't had a lot of time to prepare and she's held her nerve brilliantly. Compare her to oor nic, running around snarling and bitter, trying to be relevant.

Sturgeon had her chance to be involved but prefers the role of annoying, noisy neighbour.

May has played her hand well so far and the poor cards she was dealt have improved as other's have played their badly and as new cards have been dealt ( trump , quick trade deals promised, EU industry support etc)

It's just the start and it's a good start, then there's India and stuff.....plus we WILL trade with the EU.........

Positivity please.............. a positive mind set achieves positive results 

Aye India will more than make up for high quality car parts and other high quality items made by European countries. Positivity will make it all OK though

[NotThePars]

Her speech yesterday was vacuous nonsense.
Mayism = " talks a lot , achieves nothing "

Quite. You also have to laugh at people that are willing to take everything Theresa May is saying at face value.

[NotThePars]

Aye India will more than make up for high quality car parts and other high quality items made by European countries. Positivity will make it all OK though [emoji4]

Would laugh like f**k if we have to go begging to the commonwealth for hauners if this goes completely tits up.

[AUFC90]

1 minute ago, NotThePars said:

 

Would laugh like f**k if we have to go begging to the commonwealth for hauners if this goes completely tits up.

 

Is there any commonwealth country an a par, economically, with a lot of European countries ? Canada and maybe Australia.

[McSpreader]

Just now, AUFC90 said:

Aye India will more than make up for high quality car parts and other high quality items made by European countries. Positivity will make it all OK though

Early days yet, stop panicking!

No-one can be sure how it will all pan out. 

India is a vast, growing market place and we can do a lot of business there....then there are another 200+ countries to work with.......It's going to be beautiful, ha ha !

[John Lambies Doos]

Would laugh like f**k if we have to go begging to the commonwealth for hauners if this goes completely tits up.

It's because she is English, people in Scotland ridicule our own and seem to think people like May are better.
It's an embarrassing stain on our society

[WILLIEA]

9 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Would laugh like f**k if we have to go begging to the commonwealth for hauners if this goes completely tits up.

 

Like back in the 60's with all the " I'm backing Britain " stuff, basket case economy, folk being asked to give up one days wages per week ( voluntarily ) to help the country.

Then of course we joined our European neighbours, and guess what? Things got gradually better and better.

Now May, Farage etc. want to through that all away with the inevitable result that we will become a bit part player.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

2 hours ago, HTG said:

EU nationals will cause a big swing from 2014. That demographic alone may tip the balance. Also, some of the more risk averse pensioners may be deid. And the new batch of 16 year olds will almost certainly be overwhelmingly Yes.

Risk Aversion is surely out of the window now that all options are risky.

 

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

It's oor poond anaw.

How are the EU going to see that one?

The SNP insisting Scotland use the pound and we should be part of the EU but not part of the UK. 

 

[Crùbag]

12 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Genuine question: Current polls seem to indicate about 46% support for independence but we're around 55% in immediate aftermath of Brexit. With this in mind, and a Hard Brexit revealed, has anyway changed from a No voter to Yes voter with regards to future Scottish independence referendum, or vice versa? Genuine question, so genuine answers please.

 

Hostile Brexit seems to be the new term as far as Europe is concerned.

I was always a Yes anyway, partly because I feared Brexit would happen despite the No-campaign's promises. My auld dear though has changed from no to yes on the back of the Brexit vote.

The paucity of talent in London must also make a few folk switch - from Boris and May to Gove and then Corbyn on the other side, there are no stand-out leaders amongst that lot.

[AUFC90]

3 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

It's oor poond anaw.

How are the EU going to see that one?

The SNP insisting Scotland use the pound and we should be part of the EU but not part of the UK. 

 

Doubt they'll give the shiniest of shites tbh. Independent currency backed up by our share BOE reserves or joining the euro is how it will go down, Im good with either option, I'm also good with a currency union.