Guest Flash Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 There are acceptable levels of incompetence when conceding goals. The third was an example of that. The first 2 demonstrated unacceptable levels of incompetence. If they didn't happen very often, it would be no real cause for concern. But they have happened time and again this season. There comes a point when you just have to accept that the players aren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 54 minutes ago, palmy_cammy said: I thought Murray had a solid enough debut given the circumstances. He certainly didn't look overawed or like a rabbit stuck in headlights like some of our youth players have in the past. As with all our youth players though, he weighs about 5 stone and was easily outmuscled on a number of occasions. The main positive was that he seemed to have good tactical and positional awareness of his role. More so than Dykes ever has when played on the wing. Not really a criticism of him though as he has spent the rest of his career as a forward, and for me a winger is as specialised a role as you can get in football. Hopefully Naysmith's signing of Thomas, and inclusion of Murray indicates that he intends using proper wide men rather than following our recent habit of playing strikers out of position. He did shove Dobbie out wide late on yesterday which lead to him disappearing from the game. I hope that was out of necessity though, and not something we'll see next season. Murray isnt a winger though and hasnt played the position any more than Dykes. He usually plays the No 10 role behind a forward though has played right up top or as a central midfielder too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 It's no worse than the league cup and I'd say the league cup is a more pointless tournament. The Challenge Cup serves a purpose in that it gives us diddy teams a chance at silverware. The Fife cup gives us a chance of silverware every season but its still shite, same with the challenge cup. Just because you get a trophy doesn't mean much. There is absolutely no "prestige" associated with the challenge cup, I wouldn't give a damn if we just didn't bother entering it. On the contrary the league cup is great and if you win it then it'd be one of the best days supporting your club, ask St Mirren or Ross County fans about it and try and genuinely tell them it's lower than the challenge cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmy_cammy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Murray isnt a winger though and hasnt played the position any more than Dykes. He usually plays the No 10 role behind a forward though has played right up top or as a central midfielder too. Fair enough. I have zero knowledge of the u20s but assumed as he was pitched in for his debut in a cup semi final he'd at least be in his natural position.Looks like we are going to continue sticking square pegs in round holes then. Disappointing.I also maintain we should have gone with Dowie at right back. Brownlie remains our best centre half, and the other two seem keen to do everything they can to ensure he keeps that title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priti priti priti Patel Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, palmy_cammy said: Fair enough. I have zero knowledge of the u20s but assumed as he was pitched in for his debut in a cup semi final he'd at least be in his natural position.Looks like we are going to continue sticking square pegs in round holes then. Disappointing. I also maintain we should have gone with Dowie at right back. Brownlie remains our best centre half, and the other two seem keen to do everything they can to ensure he keeps that title. It was a thoroughly bemusing decision all round to give Murray his debut in a cup semi-final with more experienced players on the bench. I will trust that the manager saw something in training that justified the decision. Is anyone aware of a cause for our pattern - across several seasons and sets of management - of playing forward, central players on the left wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I don't get why they keep playing players on the "wrong " wing. Doesn't work at our level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSTY1111 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Worsty than Rusty. He only surfaces when anyone has a go at his pal. What are you going on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjc-1988 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I don't get why they keep playing players on the "wrong " wing. Doesn't work at our level. I must admit that although Thomas played well again last night he is a really natural left sider - when he beats men on the outside he really struggles to cross the ball with his right foot. He almost stabs the ball with his right.Don't get me wrong he plays well enough on the right but I would like to see him on the left. Equally when Danny has played on the left since returning from Hibs he has been largely anonymous. By all means switch them but surely Thomas on the left would give the team a much better balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacekid84 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 15 hours ago, Besty said: Average at best and no where near as good as HE thinks he is. Lee Robinson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Lee Robinson? Cammy Bell. But the poster is a slavering mess so there's a good chance he could be talking about Andy Barrowman for all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Rjc-1988 said: I must admit that although Thomas played well again last night he is a really natural left sider - when he beats men on the outside he really struggles to cross the ball with his right foot. He almost stabs the ball with his right. Don't get me wrong he plays well enough on the right but I would like to see him on the left. Equally when Danny has played on the left since returning from Hibs he has been largely anonymous. By all means switch them but surely Thomas on the left would give the team a much better balance. Its the fashion to play inverted wingers who cut inside rather than go past defenders and hit the byeline. Personally, I agree with you, wingers who can get in behind the defence and put quality balls into the box are a particularly dangerous weapon. I suppose, though, you could argue that Thomas is dangerous cutting inside and taking shots at goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmy_cammy Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 It's the fashion to wear skinny jeans, but I'm not going to start recommending them to Jamie Hamill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 21 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: Aye the LC would mean more to you as an Arbroath fan but what are the realistic chances they're ever going to make it to the later rounds? That's my point. The CC gives clubs like Arbroath (and ourselves) a realistic chance of silverware. The odds are the LC will be won by a team from the top division. As I say, I'm not a huge fan of it but I can appreciate it's purpose. Except I did. It was this season in fact and happened at the Terregles St end. I can remember it (not enough to remember who it was against though!) because I kept an eye on the attacker after it and he actually gave Robinson a budge after the ball was kicked clear. I think it was one of the televised games . . . maybe linfield. I seen him do it as well he kinda sticks an arm out as if defending himself when there was not a need to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I think it was one of the televised games . . . maybe linfield. I seen him do it as well he kinda sticks an arm out as if defending himself when there was not a need to do it. Possibly. It was definitely this season and if you can remember it it was likely a televised game so Linfield could be a good shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Possibly. It was definitely this season and if you can remember it it was likely a televised game so Linfield could be a good shout. Think it was discussed on the match thread as well and it was essentially the same stuff repeated. it was needless and he an idiot etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Last night was my first queens game with the lights on. the match was a decent one despite the loss. I felt we were the better team despite going 3 -0 down. we had more of the ball and were applying pressure but utd had three attacks and were clinical with each one. Dobbie took his goal well and that goal mouth scramble should of been buried. Deep into the second half should we of had a penalty. From where I was it certainly looked it but haven't seen replay yet. Felt we could of drew level but we just wasn't clinical enough. To add to the debate thought marshall was ok not great but ok he is still young. we should be looking to keep him for me. Hamill can go park himself on the bench again Can dom Thomas stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 ...but we just wasn't clinical enough. Think you've been living "doon south" too long bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer doon south Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Think you've been living "doon south" too long bud [emoji14] [emoji20] unfortunately yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 There are acceptable levels of incompetence when conceding goals. The third was an example of that. With the way the discussion has gone since I made my point, I'm clearly in a minority on my thinking on it, but my view is that a centre back simply cannot move that far out of defence to make a challenge and not won the ball. If he is going to leave the defence that exposed then he has to win the ball, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenslad Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Thought we could have been one up before Utd scored first goal. Did Dobbie not intercept a back pass and instead of shooting were there not 2 runners in the clear in the middle had he squared the ball. How often this season have we looked like scoring only to go lose a goal almost immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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