skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The English championship is really nothing special at all and playing in it does not automatically make you better than everyone in the Scottish Premiership. I agree but they pay 300 400 per cent more so the players that perform well in spl are picked up by these teams. If you got offered a 300 per cent pay rise would you move? Gregg Stewart done well in spl last season of to Birmingham Hemmings to league 1 oxford. Patterson prob going to move the summer etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: Didn't say to dismiss Scottish players- my point was to the poster who stated that the English Premiership players have had there chance so now dump them and call up half the Aberdeen team. zander Clark has been mentioned. For every wanyama there are 10 other spl players who have failed to make the grade down south. The very fact that you have went back 7 or 8 years and found a handful of players proves my point Who has failed? Please provide examples. And of course I need to go back a few years. We've never had a constant conveyer belt of talent, in fact we send more players down south now than we ever have. A lot to do with money but it's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: England are 3rd Aberdeen ranked 205 behind the giants of Fk skenderneu of Albania and spartak trnava of Slovakia nobody is debating the quality of the English premiership,we are debating the quality of the Scottish players that are playing for Scotland in these leagues there is a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 If for example Newcastle Brighton etc want any player out with rangers and Celtic in Scotland they would simply go and buy them......they have the finances and players are going to move for more money most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Name a player out with rangers or Celtic that say Fulham couldn't buy if they wanted to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesheep Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, skippy2015 said: I agree but they pay 300 400 per cent more so the players that perform well in spl are picked up by these teams. If you got offered a 300 per cent pay rise would you move? Gregg Stewart done well in spl last season of to Birmingham Hemmings to league 1 oxford. Patterson prob going to move the summer etc etc You're not entirely wrong but it's not that simple either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, skippy2015 said: If for example Newcastle Brighton etc want any player out with rangers and Celtic in Scotland they would simply go and buy them......they have the finances and players are going to move for more money most of the time so because you have a bigger bank balance it makes you a better player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Not always but basic economics shows a correlation between performance and wages in most industries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesheep Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: If for example Newcastle Brighton etc want any player out with rangers and Celtic in Scotland they would simply go and buy them......they have the finances and players are going to move for more money most of the time Wasn't that simple for Cardiff trying to get Hayes in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Let me know if u think of a spl player outwith rangers and Celtic that Fulham couldn't sign in the summer and that the player wouldn't want to move to at least double his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: Name a player out with rangers or Celtic that say Fulham couldn't buy if they wanted to? Are you serious? There's players in China & Saudi Arabia on £150k a week, that dosen't mean they're good. The money in English football is in no way reflective of the quality, if it was their teams would win everything and their national team wouldn't be an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Skippys point that, Championship sides could attract almost any Scottish based player, ergo the best players will end up in the Championship, is a fair one. It's massively simplistically stupid though. Is Greg Stewart a far superior player now than last season? Say Kenny McLean joins Leeds in the Summer, does he magically become a much better player? The level you're at shouldn't be the deciding factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Cardiff could have raised there bid but looked elsewhere. Just a matter of time until he moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Skippys point that, Championship sides could attract almost any Scottish based player, ergo the best players will end up in the Championship, is a fair one. It's massively simplistically stupid though. Is Greg Stewart a far superior player now than last season? Say Kenny McLean joins Leeds in the Summer, does he magically become a much better player? The level you're at shouldn't be the deciding factor I actually agree with you but just trying to make my original point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 For example mcginn and Patterson I would have in the squad will go on to be good full internationals and will move on to a higher level....... but for example everyone on here calling for Ryan jack for example to be in the squad he's 25 now a decent player but should bE nowhere near the squad as couldn't lace the like of cairneys boots. But every squad announcement that comes out there's always where's shinnie jack etc where zander Clark ? Lol and I'm a st Johnstone fan to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Remember calls on here's few years back as to why Murray Davidson wasn't in squad lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, skippy2015 said: For example mcginn and Patterson I would have in the squad will go on to be good full internationals and will move on to a higher level....... but for example everyone on here calling for Ryan jack for example to be in the squad he's 25 now a decent player but should bE nowhere near the squad as couldn't lace the like of cairneys boots. But every squad announcement that comes out there's always where's shinnie jack etc where zander Clark ? Lol and I'm a st Johnstone fan to You can't blame people for wanting them included. I'd certainly have Clark in over McGregor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesheep Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: For example mcginn and Patterson I would have in the squad will go on to be good full internationals and will move on to a higher level....... but for example everyone on here calling for Ryan jack for example to be in the squad he's 25 now a decent player but should bE nowhere near the squad as couldn't lace the like of cairneys boots. But every squad announcement that comes out there's always where's shinnie jack etc where zander Clark ? Lol and I'm a st Johnstone fan to Why should the captain of the second best team in the country be nowhere near the Scotland team when John McGinn, a Scottish championship player is good enough? goong by your logic surely if McGinn was any good he wouldn't STILL be playing at level way below Ryan Jack, shinnie etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 All to do with potential. Jack prob a better player just now but McGinns 22 will going to play at a higher level than jack in my opinion so better to have him in squad play him in friendlies to get experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: Name a player out with rangers or Celtic that say Fulham couldn't buy if they wanted to? so you think moussa dembele has come down a level by playing in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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