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Martin McGuinness resigns, Stormont in chaos

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Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has resigned as Deputy First Minister in protest at the NI Executives handling of a fuel reimbursement scheme. The scheme, begun under now FM Arlene Foster during her time as enterprise minister to encourage renewable energy use, had massive flaws in its execution and could cost the NIE billions of pounds.

The resignation puts the whole Northern Irish devolved assembly into flux - there will likely be new elections and if SInn Fein and the aDUP can't reach agreement there could be deadlock.

I doubt many people thought that wood burning stoves would end up bringing down the Good Friday Agreement.

Any P&Bers from BUNFIELD-Land been ripping off the government?

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You could have omitted the first 3 words and the comma from the title, and it would have been suitable at any time.

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10 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

 

Any P&Bers from BUNFIELD-Land been ripping off the government?

 

The exemplary Radio 4 "The Food Programme" this week was from TFS and is an excellent listen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b087pmd3

I felt hungry afterwards.  No irony, of course.

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2 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Probably needs a thread of its on,the goings on in the failed statelet,anyway heres the resignation letter in full

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/full-text-of-martin-mcguinness-s-resignation-letter-1.2930429

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Robin, a chara,

Over ten difficult and testing years, in the role of deputy First Minister, I have sought with all my energy and determination to serve all the people of the north and the island of Ireland by making the power-sharing government work.

 

Cheerio, Martin.

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Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has resigned as Deputy First Minister in protest at the NI Executives handling of a fuel reimbursement scheme. The scheme, begun under now FM Arlene Foster during her time as enterprise minister to encourage renewable energy use, had massive flaws in its execution and could cost the NIE billions of pounds.
The resignation puts the whole Northern Irish devolved assembly into flux - there will likely be new elections and if SInn Fein and the aDUP can't reach agreement there could be deadlock.
I doubt many people thought that wood burning stoves would end up bringing down the Good Friday Agreement.
Any P&Bers from BUNFIELD-Land been ripping off the government?


There'll be a decent fire burning where McGuinness is heading!!
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2 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:


There'll be a decent fire burning where McGuinness is heading!!

Your tone is antagonistic and you're making me very angry!

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Just now, Dunning1874 said:

Your tone is antagonistic and you're making me very angry!

 

You're too easily wound up for this forum then.

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Those Protestants up to no good again with their flawed renewable energy projects.

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1 minute ago, Suspect Device said:

 

You're too easily wound up for this forum then.

Whoosh.

Anyway, in all seriousness, this has the potential for total chaos. DUP & Sinn Fein being even more acrimonious than usual while contesting a snap election that will have concerns about the border related to Brexit thrown in on top of it for good measure.

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6 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Whoosh.

Anyway, in all seriousness, this has the potential for total chaos. DUP & Sinn Fein being even more acrimonious than usual while contesting a snap election that will have concerns about the border related to Brexit thrown in on top of it for good measure.

They'll (probably) still be the two largest parties, so they're going to have to cobble together some solution. Can't see the other parties getting enough seats to form a (cross community) government. And there are 18 less seats up for grabs this time, which, according to experts, favours the bigger parties with their well oiled electoral machines. (Experts - what do they f****** know?) 

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So if it all falls apart it looks like an election can be as little as 6 weeks ago

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31 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Your tone is antagonistic and you're making me very angry!

 

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2 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

So if it all falls apart it looks like an election can be as little as 6 weeks ago

If Sinn Fein don't nominate a replacement Deputy First Minister it has already "fallen apart".

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just saw him on tv looking very ill. Hope he takes a long time to go.

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1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said:

If Sinn Fein don't nominate a replacement Deputy First Minister it has already "fallen apart".

Yip and going by reports they arent going too

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I'm right in saying that the reduction in seats is being achieved simply by reducing each constituency from 6 seats to 5 seats, without any redefinition of boundaries etc.? It is probably more complicated than what I'm about to say due to the voting system: but if you scored off the 6th seats in last year's election DUP, Sinn Fein and SDLP would all lose 5 seats each; UUP and Alliance 1 seat each; and People not Profit 1 seat; so all other factors aside the only real difference would be SDLP dropping badly from their current figure of 12?

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7 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

I'm right in saying that the reduction in seats is being achieved simply by reducing each constituency from 6 seats to 5 seats, without any redefinition of boundaries etc.? It is probably more complicated than what I'm about to say due to the voting system: but if you scored off the 6th seats in last year's election DUP, Sinn Fein and SDLP would all lose 5 seats each; UUP and Alliance 1 seat each; and People not Profit 1 seat; so all other factors aside the only real difference would be SDLP dropping badly from their current figure of 12?

Correct.

According to what I heard on the news this evening on the way home, "big names" possibly not getting back include Peter Weir, Education Minister (DUP), Alex Attwood (SDLP), Claire Sugden Justice Minister (Independent) and Eammon McCann (People Before Profit).

It probably isn't more complicated than you say - republicans/nationalists are still going to vote 1 Sinn Fein, 2 SDLP (or 1,2 & 3 SF and 4 SDLP in my constituency) and unionists 1 DUP and 2 UUP (or vice versa, depending on their constituency).

The big unknown is will the 100 000 who voted in the Brexit referendum but didn't vote in the last Assembly elections, turn out this time around.

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Cheers. As you say it will probably come to the same thing either way. This graph of seats won over the last 20yrs says it.

NI_Assembly_seat_share.png


With Alliance so concentrated in east seats, but thinly spread within each, might they lose-out?

Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election_2016.

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I wonder, if the ira return to violence, how this will affect separation in Scotland.

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