Baxter Parp Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 We should probably start a thread for the May council elections. Apparently Labour are afraid of disappearing into oblivion and are pinning their hopes of a unionist coalition with the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Already had a unionist coalition in Clackmannanshire to scupper SNP plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I've got a horrible feeling that the Unionist alliance aka the Tories are going to have a fair amount of success in these elections. Labour however are fucked and. We know it, my dog knows it and most importantly they know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Labour choosing to see the SNP rather than the Tories as their electoral enemy has been a major contributory factor in their recent demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 41 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Labour choosing to see the SNP rather than the Tories as their electoral enemy has been a major contributory factor in their recent demise. The SNP are the dominant party at all levels of Government. Why should Scottish Labour concentrate on attacking a party that has no chance of winning power? Labour's problem is that the party is not fit for office. It will be in even bigger trouble once the Corbynistas get started on the deselections. Corbyn has strengthened his power this year after the attempted coup failed. His supporters see the Blairites and the soft left as their real enemy. Barring major scandals or catastrophes, Labour will be stuffed for at least 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 The SNP are the dominant party at all levels of Government. Why should Scottish Labour concentrate on attacking a party that has no chance of winning power? Labour's problem is that the party is not fit for office. It will be in even bigger trouble once the Corbynistas get started on the deselections. Corbyn has strengthened his power this year after the attempted coup failed. His supporters see the Blairites and the soft left as their real enemy. Barring major scandals or catastrophes, Labour will be stuffed for at least 10 years. Apart from the highest level of government in the U.K. Scottish Labour, and Holyrood at large, is still dominated by what goes on down south where the Tories are in government but Labour want to cosy up to their branch party to try and shore up their dwindling support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmadaleKillie Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 West lothian currently has labour administration propped up by the one tory so I fully expect them to try and do the same. But considering in the past the SNP used the tory and same save st John's hospital people to keep labour out it would be childish of me to moan to much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 The Only Show In Town will wipe the floor with all other parties, easily winning Glasgow City Council and the bulk of the other major centres of the Scottish population. The Tories/busted flushes will make gains in the former SNP "heartlands" in the north-east through bloc Britnat voting patterns. This will be hailed by the media as a turning point, in the same way that Liar Ruth winning a smaller share of the Scottish vote than Margaret Thatcher counted as a stunning win for the Scottish Tories. Dugdale will either resign or be defenestrated after their unavoidable, utter shoeing in May, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 6 hours ago, virginton said: The Only Show In Town will wipe the floor with all other parties, easily winning Glasgow City Council and the bulk of the other major centres of the Scottish population. The Tories/busted flushes will make gains in the former SNP "heartlands" in the north-east through bloc Britnat voting patterns. This will be hailed by the media as a turning point, in the same way that Liar Ruth winning a smaller share of the Scottish vote than Margaret Thatcher counted as a stunning win for the Scottish Tories. Dugdale will either resign or be defenestrated after their unavoidable, utter shoeing in May, And yet, still no independence..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moses1924 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 As a labour voter and a supporter of the union I don't see the problem with voting for labour first, then ranking other unionist afterwards in order to prevent independence supporting councillors from gaining seats. It is exactly the same as independence supporters voting for independence supporting parties first, SNP then Greens. One is no more reprehensible then the other. We are in a position now in Scotland where the independence issue over shadows all others, a bit like Northern Ireland I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehawhehaw Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 18 hours ago, NotThePars said: Apart from the highest level of government in the U.K. Scottish Labour, and Holyrood at large, is still dominated by what goes on down south where the Tories are in government but Labour want to cosy up to their branch party to try and shore up their dwindling support. But the snp have 56 sorry 55 sorry again 54 MPs to hold their feet to the fire. In these austerity times might it not save salaries, pensions, expenses and allowances if only one went, with 53 proxy votes, as they always vote en-bloc anyway. Sorry forgetting again, they are bought and paid for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Which sums labour up moses. You will gladly prop up the fucking tories if it hurts the snp. We lend our votes to another.eft leaning pprogressive ssocial democratic party, you support the tories. That's why your party's dying, and it can't come soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 4 hours ago, moses1924 said: As a labour voter and a supporter of the union I don't see the problem with voting for labour first, then ranking other unionist afterwards in order to prevent independence supporting councillors from gaining seats. It is exactly the same as independence supporters voting for independence supporting parties first, SNP then Greens. One is no more reprehensible then the other. We are in a position now in Scotland where the independence issue over shadows all others, a bit like Northern Ireland I suppose. Quite right, if your unionism trumps everything else and you are happy to see Tories running public services to send a message to Bute House then fire on. Its an attitude that has thankfully killed your party though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Quite right, if your unionism trumps everything else and you are happy to see Tories running public services to send a message to Bute House then fire on. Its an attitude that has thankfully killed your party though. well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Scottish Labour can only be another couple of poor election performances from confirmed and long term oblivion. Better get some dancing shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Sometimes your political enemy and your electoral enemy are different, as things stand SLab's enemy for both should be the Tories. Before we get too delighted by Labour's demise in Scotland we should give some thought to where that support will go to. If I thought it would automatically transfer to the SNP I'd be delighted but since the Referendum and subsequent GE I think that has peaked. If anything I think the SNP's domestic policies will make it more difficult to attract existing Labour voters, or at least those who genuinely take an interest in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The problem I now see occurring will be like N.I. Politics where there is only 2 options,Unionist or Nationalist. This will not be good for Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 47 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Sometimes your political enemy and your electoral enemy are different, as things stand SLab's enemy for both should be the Tories. Before we get too delighted by Labour's demise in Scotland we should give some thought to where that support will go to. If I thought it would automatically transfer to the SNP I'd be delighted but since the Referendum and subsequent GE I think that has peaked. If anything I think the SNP's domestic policies will make it more difficult to attract existing Labour voters, or at least those who genuinely take an interest in politics. The vast majority has/will go to the SNP. If you are suggesting the SNP should have a more redistributive/radical approach to domestic policies I would agree but as it stands I don't know where that more radical Labour element (if it even exists in any real numbers) would go other than the greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, jakedee said: The problem I now see occurring will be like N.I. Politics where there is only 2 options,Unionist or Nationalist. This will not be good for Scotland. ...until the Nationalists win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The vast majority has/will go to the SNP. If you are suggesting the SNP should have a more redistributive/radical approach to domestic policies I would agree but as it stands I don't know where that more radical Labour element (if it even exists in any real numbers) would go other than the greens. It might not bother voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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