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SPFL clubs don't get a say in who gets admitted to the Lowland/Highland Leagues or the feeder leagues below them so would not be able to knock it back.
The pyramid system has made it possible that Colt teams can be added into these lower leagues and work their way up into the SPFL without any say from the clubs currently residing there.
It's a stitch up and it's going to happen and it's probably going to happen next season. John Robertson is already quoted as saying he is planning for a Colts team with Caley Thistle next season.

Colt teams cannot win promotion to the SPFL as you suggest - one club can't have 2 sides in SPFL under existing rules
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1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said:


Colt teams cannot win promotion to the SPFL as you suggest - one club can't have 2 sides in SPFL under existing rules

Minor inconvenience. 

The Premiership clubs can outvote the total of the League One and League Two clubs due to the weighted voting system and so that rule will be changed if it exists.

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Minor inconvenience. 
The Premiership clubs can outvote the total of the League One and League Two clubs due to the weighted voting system and so that rule will be changed if it exists.

It depends on what type of decision is being made - some can have 100% Premiership and championship support but still be voted down
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52 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:


It depends on what type of decision is being made - some can have 100% Premiership and championship support but still be voted down

The decisions in which that can occur normally revolve around what type of biscuits should be ordered for board meetings. 

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25 minutes ago, Fat Sally said:

The decisions in which that can occur normally revolve around what type of biscuits should be ordered for board meetings. 

Reading the previous comments, yeah it seems right that they can go into lower leagues without professional clubs being able to stop it but also correct they can't gain promotion under current structure. A vote would have to happen to change this (including the suggestion that they can't go higher than League 1) Current voting structures mean that this could be vetoed with two SP teams voting against it. My hope is Motherwell and Hearts as fan owned clubs would immediately knock this back. From what I've heard and seen, even SP club fans are not a fan of Colt teams at all. 

Looks like we need a couple of heroes to save our game yet again from the SFA/ SPFL morons.  Like Roy MacGregor and Stewart Gilmour did with the beyond ridiculous 12-12-18 structure proposal and most teams did with the Sevco Armageddon lies. 

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On 2017/11/15 at 12:01, edinabear said:

I could only speculate that it would be Rangers Reserves, Celtic Reserves, perhaps Glasgow Uni (due to their licence) and the rest would be open to applications and the obvious route is from the West Superleague

There's also Bonnyton Thistle from Kilmarnock. That would leave them needing another six for a viable league in numbers terms and it may not just be the Old Firm that would put colt teams in. How difficult could it be for clubs that have a 3G pitch like Hamilton Accies and Kilmarnock to do this? Also have to wonder if this is legit whether this would be an extra league alongside the SoS League in status terms or would be replacing it as the west coast feeder to the LL. If it's the latter, clubs like Threave, St Cuthberts Wanderers and Newton Stewart could then be roped in as part of their licensing. At that point they don't need much of a juniors contingent.

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9 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said:

This suggestion that we'd need to stop them winning promotion to the Championship is absurd, as witnessed by their mainly spectacular failure in the Challenge Cup over the last two seasons. They'd stink out league two.
Get them to f**k.

If they went into the league structure they'd likely invest more to have a competitive team. My main fear is they swallow up promising young Championship/ Lower SP players that Championship and SP clubs would be planning to loan out to League 1/ 2 level anyway. 

Hopefully they're told where to go!

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Am dead against any involvement from colt teams in any league but their own. Thought the development league was meant to allow younger players to develop skills without quite so much pressure on them,  now we are being told they need to face lesser full time & even stranger part time players to make them competitive. The old reserve league would seem to have been a far better option for teams with big enough pools of players to take part, project cockwomble has been a failure but every team further down the chain should not be dragged down to appease a few.

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Has anybody yet provided a coherent answer to how playing promising youngsters in colt sides at League 2 level or below is going to have players bursting on to the international scene and taking it by storm?

 

Would Callum McGregor be more than a fringe player for Scotland if he had been playing in a boys team vs Elgin and Montrose rather than being loaned out to Notts County and Rosenborg?

 

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Has anybody yet provided a coherent answer to how playing promising youngsters in colt sides at League 2 level or below is going to have players bursting on to the international scene and taking it by storm?
 
Would Callum McGregor be more than a fringe player for Scotland if he had been playing in a boys team vs Elgin and Montrose rather than being loaned out to Notts County and Rosenborg?
 

I would accept that playing in an under 20 team against seasoned part time professionals on a regular basis will better develop players than them playing against another under 20 team featuring mostly the same players they have faced year after year as they move through age groups. Loan outs have advantages and disadvantages but also can help development
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15 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:


I would accept that playing in an under 20 team against seasoned part time professionals on a regular basis will better develop players than them playing against another under 20 team featuring mostly the same players they have faced year after year as they move through age groups. Loan outs have advantages and disadvantages but also can help development

I think the point is more, would that make players good enough to get Scotland to a major tournament. IMO no. We need players that by the time they're 19,20,21 are at least good enough to play SP football.  SP is such a poor standard right now players of an acceptable quality at that age should be more than good enough. 

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Assuming that this West of Scotland League is at tier 6, on a par with East of Scotland and South of Scotland, then licensing is not an immediate requirement.  Its only if a side wants to be promoted to the Lowland League.

True but what's the point in joining a league, so not to win it ??
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On 21/11/2017 at 19:42, Bazil85 said:

I think the point is more, would that make players good enough to get Scotland to a major tournament. IMO no. We need players that by the time they're 19,20,21 are at least good enough to play SP football.  SP is such a poor standard right now players of an acceptable quality at that age should be more than good enough. 

If the point is to develop players for the Scotland team, why not enter a select side rather than a club colts team? Most of the objections to the Old Firm having Colts sides in L2 is that they're already streets ahead of everybody else (well, one of them is) so why help them increase the gap still further? But if you have a Scotland Colts squad made up from the best youngsters in the land that question wouldn't arise. Plus it would get them used to playing alongside each other on a regular basis.

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I would accept that playing in an under 20 team against seasoned part time professionals on a regular basis will better develop players than them playing against another under 20 team featuring mostly the same players they have faced year after year as they move through age groups. Loan outs have advantages and disadvantages but also can help development

 

Why not go back to reserve football. That way the youngsters play against full time professionals. Many of their team mates and opposition will be first team players returning after injury.

 

It also has the added value of the these teams not stinking out our leagues

 

Also, if it's to benefit the national team, I'll assume that the colt players will be limited to those eligible to play for Scotland.

 

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On 11/25/2017 at 10:30, haufdaft said:

 

Why not go back to reserve football. That way the youngsters play against full time professionals. Many of their team mates and opposition will be first team players returning after injury.

 

It also has the added value of the these teams not stinking out our leagues

 

Also, if it's to benefit the national team, I'll assume that the colt players will be limited to those eligible to play for Scotland.

 

Apparently reserve league is part of Project Brave but who knows. SFA/ SPFL have been disgracefully quiet on the plans. Fans should be engaged in the process from start to finish. It's shameful their handling of the whole project. 

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On 11/25/2017 at 09:35, GordonD said:

If the point is to develop players for the Scotland team, why not enter a select side rather than a club colts team? Most of the objections to the Old Firm having Colts sides in L2 is that they're already streets ahead of everybody else (well, one of them is) so why help them increase the gap still further? But if you have a Scotland Colts squad made up from the best youngsters in the land that question wouldn't arise. Plus it would get them used to playing alongside each other on a regular basis.

Not a fan of that either too be honest. Who would these players be attached to? Who would pay their wages? How would they progress up through youth structures? Just don't think it would work at all. Plus it also has all the drawbacks of OD Colts in that it removes an aspect of achievement from League 1/2 teams. 

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