Der Kaiser Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 Well you didn't. You made that horrendous gaffe about '17th C Irish politics'. Why is it a horrendous gaffe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Der Kaiser said: Why is it a horrendous gaffe? I won't patronise you as that's clearly against my nature and my posting history....but the Glorious Revolution of 1688 was what established parliamentary democracy and the supremacy of parliament over the caprice of sovereigns. This was Britain/Ireland-wide and something worth celebrating with colourful pageantry and toe-tapping tunes to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 I won't patronise you as that's clearly against my nature and my posting history....but the Glorious Revolution of 1688 was what established parliamentary democracy and the supremacy of parliament over the caprice of sovereigns. This was Britain/Ireland-wide and something worth celebrating with colourful pageantry and toe-tapping tunes to this day. [emoji846] I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Der Kaiser said: I see. You almost-certainly don't. This is what makes you a diddy.* *I may regret that remark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 OP posts what he genuinely says is an honest question 'out of curiosity' bides his time, then piles in and posts pages worth of comment to provide his own answer(s). Usual obsessive Rangers hating pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, RedRob72 said: OP posts what he genuinely says is an honest question 'out of curiosity' bides his time, then piles in and posts pages worth of comment to provide his own answer(s). Usual obsessive Rangers hating pish. Hey is, of course, a diddy's alias. An ignorant one at that. Too many possibilities for me to narrow down who it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 More of the P than the D about him, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: More of the P than the D about him, if you ask me. Almost certainly has an affinity for the mob in the east end of Glasgow. As a wee aside I hope he gets a new tinfoil hat for Christmas. The one he's got is obviously leaking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 Almost certainly has an affinity for the mob in the east end of Glasgow. As a wee aside I hope he gets a new tinfoil hat for Christmas. The one he's got is obviously leaking! Calling c***s "tinfoil" for having had a wee think about something is the absolute worst of patter IMO (the online equivalent of the moronic progress vacuum in the mixed ability class - a one-size-fits-all put down of an idea there's no desire to understand) but each to their own. If someone had said to you ten years ago that the Internet was a mass scale surveillance tool you'd have been spouting "tinfoil" or "David Icke" at them but it's open, mainstream common knowledge now. Couldn't give a hoot for Celtic either. Anyone paying attention will know fine well that professional football at all levels that you can bet on has been reduced to nothing more than a series of spot fixes where the final result is completely inconsequential. Witness the explosions of financial interest from China and the Far East. No doubt you find that a "tinfoil" notion too as it challenges your own.Supporting Celtic, in sporting terms, is like going to a casino and cheering on the house. My sole interest in the old firm is in its wider harmful social context. Yes, it was a leading question and a dishonest conceit in the OP by saying "genuine curiosity" but there you go. As evidenced by a gaggle of efforts to pick up on and mock minor semantic points of what I'm saying and a general notion that I'm talking pish but no willingness to challenge the idea properly as a whole I've clearly come to the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Der Kaiser said: Calling c***s "tinfoil" for having had a wee think about something is the absolute worst of patter IMO (the online equivalent of the moronic progress vacuum in the mixed ability class - a one-size-fits-all put down of an idea there's no desire to understand) but each to their own. If someone had said to you ten years ago that the Internet was a mass scale surveillance tool you'd have been spouting "tinfoil" or "David Icke" at them but it's open, mainstream common knowledge now. Couldn't give a hoot for Celtic either. Anyone paying attention will know fine well that professional football at all levels that you can bet on has been reduced to nothing more than a series of spot fixes where the final result is completely inconsequential. Witness the explosions of financial interest from China and the Far East. No doubt you find that a "tinfoil" notion too as it challenges your own. Supporting Celtic, in sporting terms, is like going to a casino and cheering on the house. My sole interest in the old firm is in its wider harmful social context. Yes, it was a leading question and a dishonest conceit in the OP by saying "genuine curiosity" but there you go. As evidenced by a gaggle of efforts to pick up on and mock minor semantic points of what I'm saying and a general notion that I'm talking pish but no willingness to challenge the idea properly as a whole I've clearly come to the wrong place. Fair enough. You do actually sound a bit too intelligent to be a P. As it happens, I agree with much of what you say about how society operates and who benefits, quite deliberately from that. The explicit connection you made between North Sea oil and the prominence of Union Jacks at Rangers games, was however, somewhat fanciful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 On 11/24/2016 at 21:18, Der Kaiser said: Not necessarily the government but the wider establishment. That also encompasses TV executives who often double up as lords or sirs, TV news editors, panel members who award lottery funding, the billionaire press barons. You don't think those who decide what does and doesn't make it onto TV screens and newspapers is decided by disparate groups of individuals who don't know each other or communicate with one another, do you? On 11/25/2016 at 09:09, The Mantis said: I agree 100% with this. The UK is not run for the benefit of its people, it's run for a very wealthy few who go to the same schools and then choose a career path in government, civil service, BBC etc and preserve the status quo, I.e. Tories in power, while dividing the population by scapegoating minorities such as benefit scroungers, immigrants etc and reinforcing it by means of the Daily Mail, Sun, Express etc while covering up paedophilia, tax fraud and pig shagging. I still find your other stuff a bit of a stretch though. I am currently reading The Establishment by Owen Jones - this is basically the whole premise of chapter 3 - Murdoch and Dacre's influence on perceptions of the public is sickening. Make sure folk don't go around blaming those really responsible and maintain the line that those who disagree or rally against this are mental. He talks about something called the Overton Window where by ideas and policies are deemed socially acceptable which were once considered radical (privatisation of NHS for example) and those once considered socially acceptable are now radical. I think he mentioned something along the lines that the public believe due to media portrayal that 24% of benefit is claimed fraudulently whereby actual figure is 0.7%. Sorry this is completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 45 minutes ago, marty_j said: I am currently reading The Establishment by Owen Jones - this is basically the whole premise of chapter 3 - Murdoch and Dacre's influence on perceptions of the public is sickening. Make sure folk don't go around blaming those really responsible and maintain the line that those who disagree or rally against this are mental. He talks about something called the Overton Window where by ideas and policies are deemed socially acceptable which were once considered radical (privatisation of NHS for example) and those once considered socially acceptable are now radical. I think he mentioned something along the lines that the public believe due to media portrayal that 24% of benefit is claimed fraudulently whereby actual figure is 0.7%. Sorry this is completely Yes, an excellent book. Have you read 'Chavs'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, an excellent book. Have you read 'Chavs'? I have mate - got it signed by Owen. Met him several times twice at Durham Miners Gala once at Berwick station - top bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njord Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 , that's Xmas sorted for bearz & bhoys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Chelsea Rangers! Stranger Dangers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Walter knew Souness too Walter knew Souness too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Malcolm Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 25 November 2016 at 19:16, The_Kincardine said: I won't patronise you as that's clearly against my nature and my posting history....but the Glorious Revolution of 1688 was what established parliamentary democracy and the supremacy of parliament over the caprice of sovereigns. This was Britain/Ireland-wide and something worth celebrating with colourful pageantry and toe-tapping tunes to this day. Parliamentary sovereignty is an anachronism/anomaly now – popular sovereignty is the international standard in this day and age. His point about the 17th Century was in no way ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 20 hours ago, THE KING said: Walter knew Souness too Walter knew Souness too Yep, how ironic after years and years of the "big Jock knew" patter, that the old Rangers are the first Scottish club to be named and shamed in this fresh wave of pervert coaches! https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/266911/former-player-claims-sacked-rangers-coach-gordon-neely-raped-him-aged-13-while-he-was-playing-at-a-top-boys-club-in-edinburgh/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Yep, how ironic after years and years of the "big Jock knew" patter, that the old Rangers are the first Scottish club to be named and shamed in this fresh wave of pervert coaches! https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/266911/former-player-claims-sacked-rangers-coach-gordon-neely-raped-him-aged-13-while-he-was-playing-at-a-top-boys-club-in-edinburgh/ I guess you've not seen today's Belfast Telegraph? I doubt that it's been reported in the Scottish press! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 On 12/6/2016 at 07:11, Sting777 said: Yep, how ironic after years and years of the "big Jock knew" patter, that the old Rangers are the first Scottish club to be named and shamed in this fresh wave of pervert coaches! https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/266911/former-player-claims-sacked-rangers-coach-gordon-neely-raped-him-aged-13-while-he-was-playing-at-a-top-boys-club-in-edinburgh/ How was this to our 'shame' here? What did we do wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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