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1 minute ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:


Point me to the outrage against Obama then please emoji106.png

For what? You just said you've nothing against what he did.

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Imagine engaging in whataboutery to defend Donald Trump :lol:

“Accuse of Whataboutery” the default position of any moron who has had their indefensible hypocrisy highlighted.

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Point me to the outrage against Obama then please
It greatly amuses me that you've turned into a whiny 4chan-lite attention seeker

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In fairness to CK the only point he seemed to be making was that the media seems to pay more attention to Trumps stupid statements whilst they deem people like Tony Blair credible despite him being responsible for many many civilian deaths by illegal war.

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15 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:


“Accuse of Whataboutery” the default position of any moron who has had their indefensible hypocrisy highlighted.
 

Well, you did.  Anyhoo, you may enjoy reading this: http://www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667505

For Trump, 2017 has already been an explosive year: The U.S. has said it dropped over 2,400 bombs on Afghanistan, up from 1,337 last year. In the fight against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the U.S. has already dropped 32,801 bombs, compared with 30,743 in 2016. And the U.S. has also conducted more than 100 strikes against Al Qaeda in Yemen in 2017, compared with 38 in 2016.

Trump did promise in a campaign speech in 2015 to “bomb the shit” out of ISIS, and he seems to be living up to his word—with little regard for the consequences. 

Under Trump, civilian casualties from America’s war on ISIS have reached an all-time high in Iraq and Syria

The pace of air attacks has led to dozens of civilian deaths, watchdogs say. From 28 to 88 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan, according to the Bureau for Investigative Journalism. And Airwars, which tracks international airstrikes against ISIS, estimated that U.S.-led airstrikes killed 1,060 civilians in Iraq and Syria in August 2017, compared with 138 in August 2016.

In its worst month, March 2017, it’s estimated the Trump administration killed 1,881. (The Pentagon admitted in May that a single airstrike in Mosul, Iraq, was responsible for 100 of these deaths.) In contrast, President Barack Obama’s bloodiest month, July 2016, claimed the lives of 312, according to Airwars.

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In fairness to CK the only point he seemed to be making was that the media seems to pay more attention to Trumps stupid statements whilst they deem people like Tony Blair credible despite him being responsible for many many civilian deaths by illegal war.

No he wasn't,he was doing the 'what about the black guy' thing that Trump does when he's a bit triggered.

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4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

In fairness to CK the only point he seemed to be making was that the media seems to pay more attention to Trumps stupid statements whilst they deem people like Tony Blair credible despite him being responsible for many many civilian deaths by illegal war.

Think that's only jimthecat or whatever his name is.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

No double standards to see here, no siree.

 

The link to the wsj article doesn't work, but he has a point, given their resources and education Russia should be a successful hi tech economy. Instead the resources are plundered by a few people and squirreled away abroad instead of being invested at home. Also, unlike Trump he's referring to the economy, not the people. 

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McCain did sing a song about bombing Iran though. TCK’s not really a millions off with his point tbf either. The absence of critique over Obama’s drone strike policy from the centre was quite apparent and a lot of the current criticism of Trump’s comments come down to tone over anything else. There was a fair whack of criticism of Obama on here tho.

Russia should be a hi-tech economic but unfortunately the capitalists got their grubby paws on it.

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13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The link to the wsj article doesn't work, but he has a point, given their resources and education Russia should be a successful hi tech economy. Instead the resources are plundered by a few people and squirreled away abroad instead of being invested at home. Also, unlike Trump he's referring to the economy, not the people. 

He literally said it's not a proper country. It's just one example of public figures speaking out suddenly all concerned and respectful of all nations when previous comments and attitudes suggest otherwise. There are plenty of examples of Russia being called a shithole, hellhole or worse by prominent figures with no suggestion of racism directed at them. This is in no way a defence of Trump's moronic comments, just pointing out  the double standards evident among some of his critics.

And that's not even getting into the hypocrisy of the inherently racist interventionist foreign policy.

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21 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

McCain did sing a song about bombing Iran though. TCK’s not really a millions off with his point tbf either. The absence of critique over Obama’s drone strike policy from the centre was quite apparent and a lot of the current criticism of Trump’s comments come down to tone over anything else. There was a fair whack of criticism of Obama on here tho.

Russia should be a hi-tech economic but unfortunately the capitalists got their grubby paws on it.

There would have been a whole lot more death and destruction around the World if McCain had won the election for sure. Obama's greatest act imo was refusing to go to full scale war against Assad after the chemical attack despite immense pressure from all sides. There is something abhorrent about controlling drones dropping bombs from an office in Virginia, but the alternative, if you think the targets are dangerous and intending harm and need to be stopped, would bring far more civilian death and destruction. 

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There would have been a whole lot more death and destruction around the World if McCain had won the election for sure. Obama's greatest act imo was refusing to go to full scale war against Assad after the chemical attack despite immense pressure from all sides. There is something abhorrent about controlling drones dropping bombs from an office in Virginia, but the alternative, if you think the targets are dangerous and intending harm and need to be stopped, would bring far more civilian death and destruction. 


What I think the issue is here is the psychological cost of drone warfare. It’s been repeated time and again that the constant presence of drones in regions, the double strike policy and the seeming US indifference to the collateral damage (a horrible turn of phrase, it’s wilful murder) caused by drone strikes is psychologically destroying an entire generation of people in some sections of the world. I don’t think boots on the ground are necessarily better and intervention in any sense has had a debatable effect but nobody’s going to stop sympathising with radical terrorism when their home is subjected to the constant buzz of possible death in the skies.

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The drone program almost certainly worsens the security situation both in the countries they operate and back in the US & Europe. It's one of the most abhorrent creations of modern times imo and I'm shocked that it's legal (not that that usually stops the US abroad). It has never been about security though, just another branch of the lucrative military industry. 

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Plenty of people were calling for that amongst the right.

That was primarily because he was black though......


Sorry, because of legitimate concerns that he may not have been a natural born citizen, borne out of the utmost respect for the office of president.....

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When an American President questions why they're accepting immigrants from shitholes in Africa instead of Norway it's surely worth a raised eyebrow?

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5 hours ago, Zetterlund said:

The drone program almost certainly worsens the security situation both in the countries they operate and back in the US & Europe. It's one of the most abhorrent creations of modern times imo and I'm shocked that it's legal (not that that usually stops the US abroad). It has never been about security though, just another branch of the lucrative military industry. 

The technology allows them to do these things with little scrutiny because it makes it a bit abstract. It would be given a completely different level of scrutiny if the US military was having to use manned aircraft for all these missions.

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