The Official Former President Trump thread

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, RiG said:

Big fan of Trump saying to Kim Jong-un why bomb the beaches when you could build some apartments there. The White House propaganda video was also a good watch:

"History is always evolving" - erm, really!?

That said, my favourite quote from the last couple of days is Trump being asked what happened at the talks and how can anything be verified when there is no transcript of what was discussed. Trump: "I don't have to verify because I have one of the great memories of all time, so I don't have to."  

Yet surprisingly he can’t remember being told about a payment to a porn star.

 

[dorlomin]

36 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

Whatever the outcome of the meeting at least they are talking, hark back to the days of the English Empire 

You mean mean like in 1985 when the DPRK joined the non proliferation treaty which it violated?

The 1991 agreement between the ROK and DPRK not to develop nuclear weapons?

June 1994 when former president Carter visited the DPRK to help the Clinton government engage them in talks on their nuclear weapons, which resulted in an agreement to end its weapons program and allow inspections, whos agreement they reneged on.

The 4 party talks from 1997-2000 that collapsed on 2000?

The 2003 Bush governments leadership of the 6 party talks that collapsed on 2008 when the DPRK refused to sign off on Chinese plans for verification?

During this time it has been the DPRK that has been sending in the gun boats and the infiltration teams to the ROK. 

 

You seem like many to be nothing but a lap dog to Trumps complete rewriting of history. 

[welshbairn]

13 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

You mean mean like in 1985 when the DPRK joined the non proliferation treaty which it violated?

The 1991 agreement between the ROK and DPRK not to develop nuclear weapons?

June 1994 when former president Carter visited the DPRK to help the Clinton government engage them in talks on their nuclear weapons, which resulted in an agreement to end its weapons program and allow inspections, whos agreement they reneged on.

The 4 party talks from 1997-2000 that collapsed on 2000?

The 2003 Bush governments leadership of the 6 party talks that collapsed on 2008 when the DPRK refused to sign off on Chinese plans for verification?

During this time it has been the DPRK that has been sending in the gun boats and the infiltration teams to the ROK. 

 

You seem like many to be nothing but a lap dog to Trumps complete rewriting of history. 

It's not just the Koreans who acted in bad faith, the Americans reneged on their promises several times too.  As Iran have found to their cost, an agreement signed by an American President isn't worth the paper it's written on unless ratified by Congress. A few years later the next President can just rip it up.

Edited June 13, 2018 by welshbairn

[dorlomin]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

It's not just the Koreans who acted in bad faith, the Americans reneged on their promises several times too.  As Iran

Which specific agreements between the DPRK and the USA or the 4 party talks or the 6 party talks did the US renege on. 

 

[madwullie]

1 hour ago, Paco said:

 

Yeah, nothing at all to do with North Korea actually developing nuclear weapons over a period of thirty years. Only Trump being a fanny.

 

OK let me rephrase.

We're to all intents and purposes in exactly the same place as we were before all the rocket man chat except the us have given up major negotiable capital for absolutely nothing new. In fact the language of this "agreement" is considerably weaker than what has come before. 

[welshbairn]

23 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

Which specific agreements between the DPRK and the USA or the 4 party talks or the 6 party talks did the US renege on. 

 

The 1994 deal.

https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss-1994-deal-with-north-korea-failed-and-what-trump-can-learn-from-it-80578

[dorlomin]

7 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The 1994 deal.

https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss-1994-deal-with-north-korea-failed-and-what-trump-can-learn-from-it-80578

So KEDO being behind on reactor construction is on a par with the blatant lies told by the DPRK. And the DRPK maintained gun boat and personnel infiltration of the ROK during that period?

Still you have googled something you did not know so you have learnt a tiny bit of the story. 

[welshbairn]

26 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

So KEDO being behind on reactor construction is on a par with the blatant lies told by the DPRK. And the DRPK maintained gun boat and personnel infiltration of the ROK during that period?

Still you have googled something you did not know so you have learnt a tiny bit of the story. 

Why are you so sarky all the time? The state of war was not ended, the sanctions were only eased a bit after 6 years and they were listed as a rogue state with all that entails. Not everything is one side good one side bad. And I only googled it because you demanded to be educated specifically.

[NotThePars]

How many Americans have North Korea killed versus how many Koreans have America killed either directly or indirectly? How much of American soil has been bombed by North Korea versus Korean soil by America? How much has America been encircled by North Korea and vice versa? I’ll let people add in the figures from the movie Olympus Has Fallen and the video game series Homefront if they like.

Oh it’s also worth considering how American enemies that aren’t developing nuclear weapons fare when the west decides its time for them to go. Thinking of Saddam and Gaddafi here.

[Zetterlund]

13 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Was this a joke? Putin invaded Georgia during the Beijing Olympics  and Crimea 3 days after Sochi. The old Soviet Union invaded Hungary during the Suez Crisis. 

https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1004676729871523841

Maybe it's the instigators of the coup in Kiev who should be answering questions about the timing of it during the Sochi Olympics. 

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Zetterlund said:

Maybe it's the instigators of the coup in Kiev who should be answering questions about the timing of it during the Sochi Olympics. 

Calling eastern Ukraine "Breakaway Republics" was the same excuse he used to invade Georgia. I just find it worrying that he might be looking for an excuse for an official invasion rather than a covert one.

[mjw]

The summit couldn't have been that big a deal for the North Koreans, there's not been a mention of it on their news.
The North Korean people were the biggest winners according to trump, they just don't know yet.

[welshbairn]

15 minutes ago, mjw said:

The summit couldn't have been that big a deal for the North Koreans, there's not been a mention of it on their news.
The North Korean people were the biggest winners according to trump, they just don't know yet.

This is from KCNA, the official North Korean News Agency. I'm not sure if it's only for foreign consumption.

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Pyongyang, June 13 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Un, chairman of the Workers' Party of Korea, chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and supreme commander of the Korean People's Army, held the summit meeting and talks with Donald J. Trump, president of the United States of America, at Sentosa Island of Singapore on June 12, 2018 for the first time in the histories of the two countries.

Thanks to the fixed decision and will of the top leaders of the two countries to put an end to the extreme hostile relations between the DPRK and the U.S., which lingered for the longest period on the earth on terms of acute confrontation and to open up a new future for the sake of the interests of the peoples of the two countries and global peace and security, the first DPRK-U.S. summit is to be held.

Singapore, the country of the epoch-making meeting much awaited by the whole world, was awash with thousands of domestic and foreign journalists and a large crowd of masses to see this day's moment which will remain long in history.

Kim Jong Un left his lodging quarters at 8:10 a.m. local time and arrived at Capella Hotel on Sentosa Island of Singapore, the venue of the talks.

Seen standing at the lobby of the venue of the talks where the top leaders of the DPRK and the U.S. will have the first meeting were the flags of the DPRK and the U.S.

At 9:00 a.m. local time the respected Supreme Leader of the party, state and army of the DPRK Kim Jong Un met and shook hands with U.S. President Donald J. Trump for the first time.

The top leaders of the two countries came to take their first step toward reconciliation for the first time in the 70 odd years-long history of standoff and antagonism since the division of the Korean Peninsula, and to stand face to face at the venue of dialogue.

Chairman Kim Jong Un had a souvenir photo taken with President Trump. The two top leaders went to the conference room, having a familiar talk.

Tete-a-tete talks were held between the two top leaders.

Noting that it was not easy to get to where they were,

Kim Jong Un made the meaningful words there was a past that gripped their ankles and prejudice and wrong practice covered their eyes and ears, but they overcame all that to come this place and stand at a new starting point.

The two top leaders had a candid exchange of views on the practical issues of weighty significance in putting an end to the decades-long hostile relations between the DPRK and the U.S. and making peace and stability settle on the Korean Peninsula.

Then followed by expanded talks.

Present there from the DPRK side were Kim Yong Chol and Ri Su Yong, vice-chairmen of the Central Committee of the WPK, and Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho.

Present there from the U.S. side were Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, United States National Security Advisor John Bolton and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly.

There was a comprehensive and in-depth discussion over the issues of establishing new DPRK-U.S. relations and building a permanent and durable peace mechanism at the talks.

Noting that he is pleased to sit face-to-face with President Trump and the U.S. side's delegation, Chairman Kim Jong Un highly praised the president's will and enthusiasm to resolve matters in a realistic way through dialogue and negotiations, away from the hostility-woven past.

Expressing belief that the summit talks would lead to improvement of the DPRK-U.S. relations, President Trump appreciated that an atmosphere of peace and stability was created on the Korean Peninsula and in the region, although distressed with the extreme danger of armed clash only a few months ago, thanks to the proactive peace-loving measures taken by the respected Supreme Leader from the outset of this year.

Noting that many problems occurred due to deep-rooted distrust and hostility existing between the two countries,

Kim Jong Un said in order to achieve peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula and realize its denuclearization, the two countries should commit themselves to refraining from antagonizing with each other out of mutual understanding, and take legal and institutional steps to guarantee it.

He also underlined the need for the DPRK and the U.S. to take practical measures actively to carry out the issues discussed at the talks and the joint statement at an early date.

Kim Jong Un made an immediate agreement on Trump's proposal for recovering the remains of American soldiers and repatriating those already identified and gave an instruction to take a measure for settling it as early as possible.

Noting that the building of lasting and durable peace-keeping mechanism on the Korean Peninsula is of weighty significance in ensuring peace and security in the region and the rest of the world, he said that it is urgent to make bold decision on halting irritating and hostile military actions against each other.

Expressing his understanding of it, Trump expressed his intention to halt the U.S.-south Korea joint military exercises, which the DPRK side regards as provocation, over a period of good-will dialogue between the DPRK and the U.S., offer security guarantees to the DPRK and lift sanctions against it along with advance in improving the mutual relationship through dialogue and negotiation.

Kim Jong Un clarified the stand that if the U.S. side takes genuine measures for building trust in order to improve the DPRK-U.S. relationship, the DPRK, too, can continue to take additional good-will measures of next stage commensurate with them.

Kim Jong Un and Trump had the shared recognition to the effect that it is important to abide by the principle of step-by-step and simultaneous action in achieving peace, stability and denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

That day, a luncheon was given in honor of the top leaders of the DPRK and the U.S. and participants in the talks.

Exchanged at the luncheon were views on further animating communication, contact and visit between both sides to cement the achievements made at the DPRK-U.S. talks and remarkably develop the DPRK-U.S. relations.

After the luncheon, the top leaders had a walk, deepening friendly feelings.

Kim Jong Un, chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the DPRK, and Donald J. Trump, president of the USA, signed a joint statement of the historic Singapore summit talks.

Kim Jong Un said that today both sides came to sign the historic joint statement heralding a new start, passing the past over, stating that the world would witness an important change.

Kim Jong Un had a meaningful photo session with Trump to commemorate the signing of the historic document and bid him farewell.

Chairman Kim Jong Un and President Trump expressed expectation and belief that the two countries which have lived in the quagmire of hostility, distrust and hatred would pass the unhappy past over and dynamically advance toward an excellent and proud future beneficial to each other and another new era, the era of the DPRK-U.S. cooperation would open up.

Kim Jong Un invited Trump to visit Pyongyang at a convenient time and Trump invited Kim Jong Un to visit the U.S.

The two top leaders gladly accepted each other's invitation, convinced that it would serve as another important occasion for improved DPRK-U.S. relations.

The DPRK-U.S. summit talks held in Singapore with success amid enthusiastic support and welcome of the whole world comes to be a great event of great significance in further promoting the historic trend toward reconciliation and peace, stability and prosperity being created in the Korean Peninsula and the region and in making a radical switchover in the most hostile DPRK-U.S. relations, as required by the developing times. -0-
 

  

[Granny Danger]

I have more fear of the USA or Israel starting a nuclear war.  I also fear that their weaponry would be far more effective than anything NK produces.

 

[dorlomin]

16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I have more fear of the USA or Israel starting a nuclear war.

No surprise given your presuppositions. 

However the DPRK and and Pakistan are the most politically unstable current weapons states. Both have long running border conflicts with states that can actually threaten them conventionally and clear internal fragilities with the real possibility of violent change of government in unexpected directions.  The DPRK seems to permanently teeter on the brink of famine and shows little interest in the welfare of its people. India, China, UK, US, France, Israel and the Russian Federation all to varying degrees seem integrated into the international system of trade, show interest in their peoples welfare and growing their economies for their people. In the modern world nuclear options would be far down their various threat response lists as it would likely not be worth it in most scenarios. But such thinking should always come second to personal animus and shall we say, unnamed biases, when assessing threats for some people. 

 

[Granny Danger]

26 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

No surprise given your presuppositions. 

However the DPRK and and Pakistan are the most politically unstable current weapons states. Both have long running border conflicts with states that can actually threaten them conventionally and clear internal fragilities with the real possibility of violent change of government in unexpected directions.  The DPRK seems to permanently teeter on the brink of famine and shows little interest in the welfare of its people. India, China, UK, US, France, Israel and the Russian Federation all to varying degrees seem integrated into the international system of trade, show interest in their peoples welfare and growing their economies for their people. In the modern world nuclear options would be far down their various threat response lists as it would likely not be worth it in most scenarios. But such thinking should always come second to personal animus and shall we say, unnamed biases, when assessing threats for some people. 

 

[doulikefish]

https://www.facebook.com/1510657214/posts/10217202942974904/

[NotThePars]

Curb Your Summit.

[Granny Danger]

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/06/14/us/inside-immigrant-children-shelter-brownsville-texas-invs/index.html

1,400 immigrant children being seperated from their families and held in former Walmart store in Texas.  A Senator who tried to get access to view conditions denied.

I wonder if Vice President Mike Pence can find an appropriate biblical quotation to support or justify such inhuman behaviour.

 

[mjw]

That's the NK news showing footage of the meeting now.
Trump making a c**t of another handshake situation seems to be on a loop.