Zetterlund Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 What an utter basket case of a country. It seems the most important issue with this shutdown is making sure it looks like the other side is to blame. Millions of workers to either stay at home or work without pay, meanwhile Mattis rants about the need for huge defence budget increases. $700 billion not enough apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: What an utter basket case of a country. It seems the most important issue with this shutdown is making sure it looks like the other side is to blame. Millions of workers to either stay at home or work without pay, meanwhile Mattis rants about the need for huge defence budget increases. $700 billion not enough apparently. But...but it’s a “great” military. Seems like support for your killing machine is the number one way to express your patriotism for many US citizens and their political representatives. No politician, from either side, seems to be able to reference the military without trying to outdo each other with their obsequiousness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: But...but it’s a “great” military. Seems like support for your killing machine is the number one way to express your patriotism for many US citizens and their political representatives. No politician, from either side, seems to be able to reference the military without trying to outdo each other with their obsequiousness. It's quite remarkable that in a reality where the US military budget is already bigger than China, Russia, the UK, France, Germany, India, Japan & Saudi Arabia combined, they try to convince their public that they're falling behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Don’t see this porn thing going away anytime soon. If the media keep digging and uncover anything then it could be very damaging for Trump. Why do people keep saying assorted things are or will be damaging to Trump? Nothing makes any difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Can see trumpy doing a bartlett with this shutdown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Why do people keep saying assorted things are or will be damaging to Trump? Nothing makes any difference. Then why are his approval ratings way down since the election? There will be some folk who will vote for him or other Republicans whatever he says or does, but given the narrowness of his victory (and the fact that he lost the popular vote to begin with) eroding that margin should be enough for the midterms and for 2020. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Why do people keep saying assorted things are or will be damaging to Trump? Nothing makes any difference. Getting his bottom spanked by a Forbes Magazine with his family on the cover, wielded by a porn star soon after his son was born, is an image people will find hard to purge from their minds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 A lot of people took a punt on Trump and likely have taken a lot of mockery from some mates since then. They have invested emotionally so they are holding onto support hoping he will turn things round. One by one they are capitulating on that investment. Giving up on him. Its slow, but its only one year into his presidency. I am sure the damage of brand "Trump" is eating into the Republican base. The only issue he is really excelling on for them is immigration. America is also undergoing a huge demographic transition: This partly explains the support for Trump. But it also shows the ultimate long term nihilism of the Republicans down this path. The mid terms are liable to be a denouement for many. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The changing face of America is irrelevant if the widespread disenfranchisement of minorities isn’t addressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 22 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Why do people keep saying assorted things are or will be damaging to Trump? Nothing makes any difference. The power of impeachment lies with the House of Representatives. If these assorted things are, as increasingly seems the case, nefarious or downright illegal, some of the less careerist-minded Republicans will be forced to vote for impeachment. If Mueller finds grounds to charge the president (or his family, or his entourage generally, or even his administration) with illegal activity such as, oh let's just say, money laundering, that process would then become inevitable. The problem is with lickspittles such as Lankford and Cruz, who wouldn't vote for impeachment under any circumstances whatsoever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Republicans won’t vote for impeachment while they can throw any old shit in front of Trump and can expect that he’ll sign it. Heck even the fucking idiot Democrats just helped push through even more surveillance legislation that’s supposedly going to stop Trump or something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloop John B Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Republicans won’t vote for impeachment while they can throw any old shit in front of Trump and can expect that he’ll sign it. Heck even the fucking idiot Democrats just helped push through even more surveillance legislation that’s supposedly going to stop Trump or something? It depends because it's not exactly like Mike Pence is going to be casting much scrutiny over republican policies either. I think if the Republicans struggle at a favourable midterm then the knives could be out if the careerist Republicans start worrying about getting crushed in 2020. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Even if the Dems take over the Senate and House I don't think they'll impeach him for anything less than rape/murder. They'd be able to stop him doing much, like the Reps did to Obama, and get shot of him in 2020. If they managed to impeach him for anything less than a major crime the reaction would be rage on a massive scale, and would probably screw their chances in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Even if the Dems take over the Senate and House I don't think they'll impeach him for anything less than rape/murder. They'd be able to stop him doing much, like the Reps did to Obama, and get shot of him in 2020. If they managed to impeach him for anything less than a major crime the reaction would be rage on a massive scale, and would probably screw their chances in 2020. Agreed. You can’t just impeach someone because you don’t like them. 65 million people voted for him, the backlash could legitimately go into civil war or at least some shooting matches in such an armed country. Any impeachment will need to be watertight and for something that outrages the majority of the country. I’m not sure telling the Russian ambassador that his incoming administration will reverse Obama sanctions will really fall into that category. If (and I still think that’s a massive if) the Democrats take the House and Senate they just need to let a lame-duck President see things out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Deutsche Bank finds evidence of dubious deals by Trump's son-in-law Kushner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 There have been suggestions that the 'Russian connection' has to do with money laundering and Trump's business interests. If this is the case it would be solid grounds for impeachment. The Democrats may see there chances in 2020 as being better if Trump was in the WH rather than Pence and would probably avoid impeachment unless they thought it was more politically damaging. What a fucking mess! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Deutsche Bank finds evidence of dubious deals by Trump's son-in-law Kushner Just for interest sake, Jared kushner was alleged to be the new head of the Illuminati on all the conspiracy sites about ten years ago. Look at him now. Could be something in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Is it just me who finds the idea of running for president of the USA in order to launder money absolutely ludicrous? Personally I'd be looking to fly a little more under the radar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Zetterlund said: Is it just me who finds the idea of running for president of the USA in order to launder money absolutely ludicrous? Personally I'd be looking to fly a little more under the radar. I don't think the two are connected. Think he ran for President to raise his profile and help kick off a cable channel, without ever thinking he'd actually win. The money laundering allegations are from before, like where he got the money to buy Turnberry and Meanie golf courses with no realistic prospects of turning a profit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't think the two are connected. Think he ran for President to raise his profile and help kick off a cable channel, without ever thinking he'd actually win. The money laundering allegations are from before, like where he got the money to buy Turnberry and Meanie golf courses with no realistic prospects of turning a profit. Whether or not he really believed he could win, I'm pretty sure he wanted to given that he's been talking about it for about 30 years. Bit of a risky move to become the most intensely scrutinised person on Earth with such a history of nefarious dealings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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