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I know a few American folk not into the whole flag-worshiping nonsense, at least before EVERY sporting event. Their President is basically calling them un-American and a traitor for it. 

If you’re an NFL fan you should be delighted. Some amount of whoppers won’t be going to games anymore.    

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Astounding how often 'Progressives'/left fall into Trumptraps, and he comes out ahead, again.

By virtue of blind hatred and some ideological fuckwittery against anything The Don says, he's now exposed his Obama-teeted opposition as:

- supporters of the 'D-Day soldiers' that are anti-west terrorist group Antifa

- taking the side of the leader of a communist state that wishes the destruction of the US

- convinced that Jihad is a perfectly benign word that just means struggle

- rallying to protest via the US national anthem and flag

2020 looking like a lock-in with every passing day.

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Just wondering what makes him a racist for taking part in a political protest? Although I don't agree with him on every aspect of his stance I fail to see how its in anyway racist?


Ooft. I hadn't seen how desperate Banana was getting. Cheers for quoting that [emoji38]
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6 hours ago, kilbowie2002 said:

Im at a concert in tampa (Zac Brown Band, its the interval) and they've just presented some ex army guy a mortgage free house, everyone was expected to stand and scream usa usa at a fucking concert.

Bro, do you just spend your free time traveling to Florida for country music concerts? :lol:

Good for the guy.

Weird you'd take offense when observing a harmless communal social activity that foreigners take part in. 

4 hours ago, kilbowie2002 said:


Just wondering what makes him a racist for taking part in a political protest? Although I don't agree with him on every aspect of his stance I fail to see how its in anyway racist?

Browns running back Isaiah Crowell posted it the day after a BLM activist killed 5 cops in Dallas. The BLM activist specifically stated he was trying to kill white cops. It's definitely a racialist post.

If you're wondering what type of dude this is, he was kicked out college after being caught illegally carrying a gun with it's serial number altered. He was also suspended twice before that.

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10 hours ago, Jeff Venom said:

It doesn't get much more biased than this from the fake media.

Buried in the story we find out:

100 emails.

Mostly news stories, and mostly short responses when someone initially emailed him.

No classified info.

Kushner's lawyers says all emails from his personal account are forwarded automatically to his official government address.

With Hillary we had:

Classified info.

Official business.

Tens of thousands of emails.

Specific warnings against her behavior.

The content of her emails reveal she was conducting off the books intelligence operations regarding Libya with people she was banned from hiring by Obama.

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So, let me get this straight:

Kneeling during the US national anthem - unpatriotic, un-American, sons of bitches

Protesting to defend statues and the flag of those who literally fought a war of secession from the US - not unpatriotic or un-American in any way, very fine people

Makes perfect sense. In any case, it's a nice distraction from the foreign policy disaster he's caused over Iran.

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13 hours ago, kilbowie2002 said:

Im at a concert in tampa (Zac Brown Band, its the interval) and they've just presented some ex army guy a mortgage free house, everyone was expected to stand and scream usa usa at a fucking concert.

America has far more in common with North Korea culturally than with Europe. This elevation of the flag into a religious icon that is blasphemous not to worship, and the mystical supposed infallibility of the Founding Fathers is just demented, and very very weird. 

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6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Americans have far more in common with North Korea culturally than with Europe. This elevation of the flag into a religious icon that is blasphemous not to worship, and the mystical supposed infallibility of the Founding Fathers is just demented, and very very weird. 

By Americans do you mean Trump and his supporters?

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Not Trump, he doesn't give a f**k about anything but money, pussy and being on the news. I've edited that post to show I wasn't really referring to individuals, just the accepted norms of behaviour. Like going up to a stranger in uniform and thanking him for his service when he probably washes dishes on an army base in Alabama. Weirdness.

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

America has far more in common with North Korea culturally than with Europe. This elevation of the flag into a religious icon that is blasphemous not to worship, and the mystical supposed infallibility of the Founding Fathers is just demented, and very very weird. 

My daughter worked in Camp America this summer - first time in the states. The very first conversation we had after she arrived included her noting that "the flag is a very big deal for these Americans". That's not just a Trump thing. I'm sure the reverence will have grown since 9/11 and everything that's happened since. There is bound to be an element of "flag fascism" similar to the "poppy fascism" over here where folk can get harangued for not wearing one - particularlythose with a public profiles. Perfectly laudable symbols being hijacked by super sensitive arseholes. 

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3 hours ago, kilbowie2002 said:


I dont take offence at the guy getting a house, I just think that the American state should be paying for it, I also think continually mentioning 'Wells Fargo presents' etc as you're doing it more so than mentioning the guys name etc cheapens the gesture, also by super imposing the American flag onto a Wells Fargo logo etc goes against your own flag code. You all think you love America yet are prepared to see your poorest and most in need suffer so that you don't appear like 'commies'.
I fail to see why its a 'racist' post, I'll repeat, cops aren't a race, the man has a problem with the way American cops operate and I believe there is an even bigger issue in America of gross inequality which is far more reaching than any other.

Right, cops aren't a race. You can oppose the police as a perfectly valid political position. In this specific case there was context. That context was that a black man had just set out to murder white cops. His intention specifically stated "white." Mr. Crowell posted a meme of a white cop being murdered within 24 hours of that happening. It's a stretch to say there was no racial context contained in that gesture. 

For the record, I don't think he should be fired. I don't have a problem with black people having negative racist feelings towards white people, or other groups.

Poor people are provided for here. It's arguable whether a more generous welfare state beyond the basics does more harm or good. It's not a black and white issue.

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

America has far more in common with North Korea culturally than with Europe. This elevation of the flag into a religious icon that is blasphemous not to worship, and the mystical supposed infallibility of the Founding Fathers is just demented, and very very weird. 

:lol: 

America has more in common culturally with North Korea than with Europe!

Amazing!

Edit: Not just "more." 

"Far more."

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18 minutes ago, HTG said:

My daughter worked in Camp America this summer - first time in the states. The very first conversation we had after she arrived included her noting that "the flag is a very big deal for these Americans". That's not just a Trump thing. I'm sure the reverence will have grown since 9/11 and everything that's happened since. There is bound to be an element of "flag fascism" similar to the "poppy fascism" over here where folk can get harangued for not wearing one - particularlythose with a public profiles. Perfectly laudable symbols being hijacked by super sensitive arseholes. 

It predates 9/11 for sure. I can tell you that.

I'm not sure if this is correct, but I heard it explained once as a reaction to Vietnam. People were burning the flag and soldiers were coming home to jeering mobs. Previous generations had a more quiet daily patriotism, maybe closer to what exists for average patriotic people in Europe. There was a cultural push to make sure the so-called "silent majority" never let that happen to our soldiers or the symbols of our country again. It was probably the only front in the "culture war" that the right wing actually won, as most people outside of some young people, the far left, and a certain percentage of minorities respect the flag and the people who fought for it. Those that don't have respect are mostly cowed into silence in public places and only voice that lack of respect in friendly circles. It's not much different than the culture war shifts on views towards homosexuality. It's the same process.

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3 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:

So, let me get this straight:

Kneeling during the US national anthem - unpatriotic, un-American, sons of bitches

Protesting to defend statues and the flag of those who literally fought a war of secession from the US - not unpatriotic or un-American in any way, very fine people

Makes perfect sense. In any case, it's a nice distraction from the foreign policy disaster he's caused over Iran.

There was a cultural push in the years after the civil war for both sides to be respected and honored. It was considered patriotic to do this as it would help bind up the wounds and decrease regional conflict in future generations if both sides could feel that their ancestors should be given proper respect. This was a near universal attitude until the far left started to target symbols of Southern white people as part of their culture war on traditional America in the past few decades. Polling shows only modest success in reversing the positive or benign view of the Confederate leaders, soldiers, and their symbols with the general public, but it's been a massive success with the elites. 

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3 hours ago, kilbowie2002 said:


I fail to see why its a 'racist' post, I'll repeat, cops aren't a race

In addition to or even aside from PL's explanation, a switcharoo is always useful in identity politics.

In this case, a white person in the public eye posting up a pic celebrating slitting the throat of a black person in some position of power (make no mistake, the cop in the drawing is white for a reason). Regardless of any surrounding context, this would be railed on as "an example of systemic racism", and "white supremacist America", etc. Statements from various activist groups, mayors, politicians, race-baiters, etc would follow.

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