Big Celtic Administration/Liquidation Thread

[castilla]

1. 14 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

   I'm not referring to the prolonged machinations of the tribunal though.

   I'm referring to the improper registration of players in competitions, the offence that saw them receive a record fine and that should have, in my view, seen titles removed and declared void.

   Rangers players were all properly registered.  There were no second or dual contracts.  They failed to disclose side letters which explained the tax scheme to the players.

2. "Rangers FC did not gain any unfair competitive advantage from the contraventions of the SPL Rules in failing to make proper disclosure of the side-letter arrangements, nor did the non-disclosure have the effect that any of the registered players were ineligible to play, and for this and other reasons no sporting sanction or penalty should be imposed upon Rangers FC;"

          Big shredding machine working overtime at Celtic Park just now.

[The_Kincardine]

Financial doping - allowed them to have players they couldn't otherwise afford.  Pure cheating with no thought given to schools and hospitals.

They should be stripped of every second place and their runners-up prize money distributed to the clubs they have tried to cheat.

[shull]

    THE O'NEWCUNTO FC 2016    

[Bearwithme]

3 hours ago, jungle bhoy said:

Very big difference in the ebt scandal and this. But you know that already.

Hmm. The EBT case is under appeal. Is this one?

[shull]

DEID AS A DODO FC 1873 

[ayrmad]

9 minutes ago, Bearwithme said:

Hmm. The EBT case is under appeal. Is this one?

What case?

[theesel1994]

2 hours ago, Bearwithme said:

Hmm. The EBT case is under appeal. Is this one?

I'm sure this one has been - twice. This one is lightly different in that HMRC can go after the money before legal cases. (Advance Payment Notice). Some have already managed to shaft the taxman by going bankrupt.

[BFTD]

Needs a tl;dr version. Should I be breaking out the popcorn maker or not?

[itzdrk]

This doesn't seem to be Celtic the club at all.  It seems to be a UK football thing.  Disapointing as it's their turn. 

[Monkey Tennis]

9 hours ago, castilla said:

1. Rangers players were all properly registered.  There were no second or dual contracts.  They failed to disclose side letters which explained the tax scheme to the players.

2. "Rangers FC did not gain any unfair competitive advantage from the contraventions of the SPL Rules in failing to make proper disclosure of the side-letter arrangements, nor did the non-disclosure have the effect that any of the registered players were ineligible to play, and for this and other reasons no sporting sanction or penalty should be imposed upon Rangers FC;"

          Big shredding machine working overtime at Celtic Park just now.

1. No, you're wrong here.  The players were not properly registered, hence the large fine.

2. You're right though in that it was deemed that this breach did not render the players ineligible to play.  This reading however, was based on the idea that they could not now be deemed ineligible retrospectively.  Clearly this is a technicality and it's staggering that any club or support would wish to retain titles on such a flimsy basis, with no moral foundations.  I don't know why you keep referring to sporting advantage.  There was no need to establish that any such advantage had been achieved, or even sought, when clubs like Brechin and Spartans had the results of cup ties overturned.

 

[bennett]

1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

1. No, you're wrong here.  The players were not properly registered, hence the large fine.

 

 

 

 

• The tribunal states that the Scottish FA approach to the rules is clear and the SPL should apply their rules in the same manner.

"We are satisfied that the registration of the Specified Players with the SPL was valid from the outset, and accordingly that they were eligible to play in official matches." (p27)

"This is an important finding, as it means that there was no instance shown of Rangers FC fielding an ineligible player"

 

[kiddy]

Have we had a deadline yet, & what about a mention of deeds? #warchest

[Broony88]

47 minutes ago, kiddy said:

Have we had a deadline yet, & what about a mention of deeds? #warchest

Tosh McKinley on the front steps of Parkhead asking to see ra deeds incoming IMO.

[LordHawHaw]

Me and corky the clown from Shawlands are setting up a just giving page ......SOS  (save our Seltic)

 

Please indicate below your level of gullibility  commitment  in pounds sterling

[strichener]

4 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

1. No, you're wrong here.  The players were not properly registered, hence the large fine.

2. You're right though in that it was deemed that this breach did not render the players ineligible to play.  This reading however, was based on the idea that they could not now be deemed ineligible retrospectively.  Clearly this is a technicality and it's staggering that any club or support would wish to retain titles on such a flimsy basis, with no moral foundations.  I don't know why you keep referring to sporting advantage.  There was no need to establish that any such advantage had been achieved, or even sought, when clubs like Brechin and Spartans had the results of cup ties overturned.

 

The is the part that makes a mockery of the whole process.  Are we now in a position to say that if a club registers a player incorrectly and then the club rectify this by submitting the correct paperwork there can be no punishment.  Or that once a club has been put out of a competition by a team fielding of an illegible player that there can be no comeback.  ALL of these things are done retrospectively and always have been.

[KLadeside]

check the state of the sevco fans frothing at the gash hoping celtic get liquidated like oldco ****.

and all this "Demoted/Relegated" patter....you were not demoted you had to apply to join the lower echelons of scottish football as you "DIED".

as for the celtic case its not a club scheme this was brought up years ago its old news....celtic tax at source then the players can do whatever they like with their money afterwards which in this case they used the film industry, its in no way the same as the EBT Scheme that oldco used.

ohh btw there is a list of them also using the film industry....

so should you be liquidated aswell? or is it the old "were a new company ,it wis oldco wit done it" patter going tae be used.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

7 hours ago, bennett said:

 

 

• The tribunal states that the Scottish FA approach to the rules is clear and the SPL should apply their rules in the same manner.

"We are satisfied that the registration of the Specified Players with the SPL was valid from the outset, and accordingly that they were eligible to play in official matches." (p27)

"This is an important finding, as it means that there was no instance shown of Rangers FC fielding an ineligible player"

 

That doesn't say the registration was not carried out improperly.  It says it was valid in that the players were not deemed ineligible.

What was the fine for if everything was proper?

[Monkey Tennis]

Any comparison is ludicrous.

Rangers found themselves down the divisions because they were wound up, having failed to achieve a CVA due to the sums they then owed HMRC, irrespective of the entire ebt thing.

I want nothing more than to see bodies and individuals who aggressively avoid paying due tax, being chased down and dealt with.

When Rangers fans try to draw parallels with what's happened elsewhere though - the Pacific Shelf stuff for instance - all they do is draw further attention to what sets the entire Rangers story miles apart.

[bennett]

18 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

That doesn't say the registration was not carried out improperly.  It says it was valid in that the players were not deemed ineligible.

What was the fine for if everything was proper?

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, bennett said:

Has something tickled you dear Bennett?