sergie's no1 fan Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Wouldn't be getting too excited about the under 21s. Heard Gemmill on the radio a while back saying his job is to provide as many players for the senior squad as possible, results are secondary. Paraphrasing a bit but that was the jist of it. Whilst it's fair enough, producing players for the senior squad is the name of the game, surely results should be just as important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well no, results in age restricted football are really of no relevance at all. It would be nice to win but it doesn't matter, they exist solely to produce players for the senior team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 In our case produce a bunch of losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Results aren't important because, as his crap predecessor shows, failure will only see Gemmill punted from one youth squad to another to fail there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 That's true farcical sbragia still has a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Should results be important though? Is it not a losers mentality just to write off youth games? What about the German players who won a youth tournament then a fair number of them went on to take the 2010 World Cup by storm? I'm not expecting that from Scotland, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Well yes it is better to win than lose but it doesn't really matter the aim is to produce players for the senior team. That's why the likes of Burke and Tierney aren't with the 21s though some games could be good for them if they weren't going to be involved with the senior team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Out of interest, did Burke and Tierney play that many U21 games before getting a full cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 42 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Out of interest, did Burke and Tierney play that many U21 games before getting a full cap? Both played a few games for the U19s but think both skipped U21s altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKTID Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Tierney and burke are good enough for full squad so why play for u21s? A lot of the U21s never make it in the full squad, most aren't good enough and others don't suit managers ideas. I agree to an extent with Gemmill wiping the team and starting fresh with new players. You might unearth a cracker but it's mostly about getting young guys experience at a higher level that they wouldn't normally get playing for reserves in england or first team for scottish prem/championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 6 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said: Well yes it is better to win than lose but it doesn't really matter the aim is to produce players for the senior team. That's why the likes of Burke and Tierney aren't with the 21s though some games could be good for them if they weren't going to be involved with the senior team. The job of "producing players" rests with the coaching and management staff at club sides: they are the ones who enjoy the lion's share of the training time for youth development. Playing a Scotland Under 21 international does no such thing - least of all when their crap, ringer manager proceeds to get them horsed on a regular basis. The job of an international manager at any level is to produce a competitive side and achieve something amounting to 'success' within a bracket of similar countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Given that Strachan and McGhee have stated they don't take any interest in the under 21s, and given Scott Gemill has decided not to pick the best team available, effectively throwing matches by playing notorious club incompetents, I'm not quite sure what the point of Scotland's under 21 team actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof! Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: Given that Strachan and McGhee have stated they don't take any interest in the under 21s, and given Scott Gemill has decided not to pick the best team available, effectively throwing matches by playing notorious club incompetents, I'm not quite sure what the point of Scotland's under 21 team actually is. Can you provide a quote for your opening statement? Strachan picked McGinn after his performance v Ukraine for the u21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullard Bluteau Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: Given that Strachan and McGhee have stated they don't take any interest in the under 21s, and given Scott Gemill has decided not to pick the best team available, effectively throwing matches by playing notorious club incompetents, I'm not quite sure what the point of Scotland's under 21 team actually is. Like quite a few at the SFA , its a sinecure and reserved for those unable to acquire gainful employment. Oh, and isn't Scott Gemmill English as well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 24 minutes ago, woof! said: Can you provide a quote for your opening statement? Strachan picked McGinn after his performance v Ukraine for the u21s. Interview with Mark McGhee some time ago; perhaps around the time of Sbragia getting the chop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 McGhee stated prior to Sbragia going that he and Strachan don't get involved with U21s - said they don't take a role in deciding what tactics are played or even who is called-up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 McGhee stated prior to Sbragia going that he and Strachan don't get involved with U21s - said they don't take a role in deciding what tactics are played or even who is called-up for it. Luckily Sbragia didn't have chance to ruin Burke....unluckily Strachan won't pick him over dross like forrest.....meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 The McGhee quotes stemmed from him kicking up a fuss about Cadden being overlooked. He essentially said that neither he nor Strachan had any sway/involvement with who the u21 manager picked in his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof! Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, capt_oats said: The McGhee quotes stemmed from him kicking up a fuss about Cadden being overlooked. He essentially said that neither he nor Strachan had any sway/involvement with who the u21 manager picked in his squad. it's not the same as having no interest though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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