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Which are Scotland's Cult football teams here are some i think:

Aberdeen Cup Winners Cup 1983

Celtic European Cup 1967

Rangers Cup Winners Cup 1972

Raith Rovers 1994-95

Dundee United UEFA Cup 1987

Motherwell Scottish Cup 1991

Celtic UEFA Cup 2003

Rangers UEFA Cup 2008

Hibs League Cup 1991

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29 minutes ago, Cel123 said:

Which are Scotland's Cult football teams here are some i think:

 

Celtic European Cup 1967

Rangers Cup Winners Cup 1972

 

 

Celtic UEFA Cup 2003

Rangers UEFA Cup 2008

 

People please feel feel free to add and discuss

You've spelt "c**t" wrong...

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What does "cult team" actually mean?

(I always took it to mean a team with an interesting history that fans quite enjoyed seeing do well, and neutrals went to watch; a team that also has some kind of cultural standing beyond football- in literature, music etc).

In Scotland, then, we're looking at Third Lanark (few other teams would generate national headlines nearly 50 years after going bust), Partick Thistle, Clachnacuddin (English folk in particular seem a bit obsessed), Cowdenbeath post- Black Diamonds and the Blue Brazil, and, well, that's kind of it. Arguably, Pumpherston (the celebrity "Dukla Pumpherston" team) and Gala Fairydean.

In England, briefly, we're looking at Accrington Stanley (see Third Lanark except they re-formed successfully) and Tranmere Rovers (google Half Man Half Biscuit for why).

The list in the OP seems to be a list of teams that won something once upon a time. Note: a credible list of Scottish "cult teams" would never contain any incarnation of the bigoted arsecheeks.

 

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cult
kʌlt/
noun
 
  1. 1.
    a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
    "the cult of St Olaf"
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  2. 2.
    a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society.
    "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
    synonyms: craze, fashion, fad, vogue; 
    informalthing
    "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"

 

Yes forgot about Cowdenbeath fantastic book. Excellent reply. Could you put Gretna in that ??

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Something with a cult following: most people don't give a shit about it but the small remainder are diehard hardcore fans. Bands like Big Star, films like Withnail etc... Not sure it really applies to football teams unless you pick a random lower league side with a loyal support.

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3 hours ago, Cel123 said:
cult
kʌlt/
noun
 
  1. 1.
    a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
    "the cult of St Olaf"
    •  
       
       
       
       
    •  
       
       
       
       
  2. 2.
    a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society.
    "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
    synonyms: craze, fashion, fad, vogue; 
    informalthing
    "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"

 

Yes forgot about Cowdenbeath fantastic book. Excellent reply. Could you put Gretna in that ??

Too much bitterness from too many folk owing to Mileson-era Gretna I'm afraid. Arguably, the Gretna that entered the FA Cup, requiring an annual letter of permission from the SFA, and played in the Northern Premier League prior to 2002 were more of a "cult " team than Mileson's financially-doped Gretna Globetrotters.

On the definition, I think there are elements of both definitions 1& 2 from the dictionary but there is a missing something there yet.

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The Third Lanark side of 1960-1961 has to be in there. The previous season's runners up in the League Cup, they finished 3rd in the league, scoring 100 goals but letting in 80, making Hi Hi games the most attractive in the land for those who wanted games guaranteed with plenty of goals. But Bill Hiddleston and crooked Labour councillor James Reilly were waiting in the wings, & after their hostile takeover less than a year later, the club had only six more years left to live.

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Personally I don't think you can be a "cult" team for a season or two...it's a label that sticks. It's a mistake I think to say " Team X was a cult team in season Y".

Youre either a cult team, or you're not. That Dundee team falls for the same financial doping reasons as Gretna anyway.

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It's shameful that this thread still has not received the input of you know who...

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Until his arrival, can I add to the list the League champion Dundee side of Bob Shankly (fresh from turning round Third Lanark from perennial music hall joke for decades into a formidable side once more) of 1961 through to their European Cup run to the Semi Finals of May 1963.

The first club to truly show what a Scottish side could do in Europe. Alan Gilzean (who put a hattrick past Sporting Lisbon), Bobby Seith (who was to earn an equally unlikely English Championship with Burnley to his Scottish Championship with Dundee) & the legendary Gordon Smith at the twilight of his career adding the Dees to the Hearts & Hibs Scottish league championship medals were part of that golden age of Scottish football where the dreary Old Firm dominance looked to have been smashed for good.

Alas! along with Ian Ure, the side was to be picked to the bone by English league piranhas, & a club that seemed to magic great players from the local streets (or at least the local Juniors!) was to fade into legend.

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14 hours ago, Menzel said:

No they don't.

Out of a league of 42 clubs since 2000

Club Entered
administration
Exited
administration
League(s) Deduction(s)
Greenock Morton 15 December 2000[136] 8 August 2001[137] First Division None
Clydebank 23 December 2000[138] 9 July 2002
Became Airdrie United[139]
Second Division None
Airdrieonians   21 May 2002
Dissolved[140]
First Division None
Motherwell 24 April 2002[141] 20 April 2004[142] SPL None
Dundee 25 November 2003[143] 6 August 2004[144] SPL None
Livingston 3 February 2004[145] 13 May 2005[146] SPL None
Gretna 10 March 2008[147] 8 August 2008
Dissolved[148]
SPL −10 pts[2]
Demoted to Third Division[149]
Livingston 24 July 2009[150] 13 August 2009[151] First Division Demoted to Third Division[152]
Dundee 14 October 2010[153] 12 May 2011[154] First Division −25 pts[155]
Rangers 14 February 2012[126] 14 June 2012[156] SPL −10 pts[126]
After its membership of the SFA was transferred to a new company, Sevco Scotland Ltd, Rangers were admitted to the Third Division.[157][158]
Dunfermline Athletic 27 March 2013[159] 13 December 2013[160] First Division −15 pts[161]
Heart of Midlothian 19 June 2013[162] 11 June 2014[163] SPL −15 pts[162]

That's 26% of clubs in Scottland going into administration

Also Hibs in 1990 administration

Third Lanark 1967 extinct

Partick Thistle 1998 close to going bankrupt

Cowdenbeath 2010 close to going under

Hamilton 2002  financial hardships

Dundee United 2016 financial troubles

 

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46 minutes ago, Cel123 said:

Out of a league of 42 clubs since 2000

Club Entered
administration
Exited
administration
League(s) Deduction(s)
Greenock Morton 15 December 2000[136] 8 August 2001[137] First Division None
Clydebank 23 December 2000[138] 9 July 2002
Became Airdrie United[139]
Second Division None
Airdrieonians   21 May 2002
Dissolved[140]
First Division None
Motherwell 24 April 2002[141] 20 April 2004[142] SPL None
Dundee 25 November 2003[143] 6 August 2004[144] SPL None
Livingston 3 February 2004[145] 13 May 2005[146] SPL None
Gretna 10 March 2008[147] 8 August 2008
Dissolved[148]
SPL −10 pts[2]
Demoted to Third Division[149]
Livingston 24 July 2009[150] 13 August 2009[151] First Division Demoted to Third Division[152]
Dundee 14 October 2010[153] 12 May 2011[154] First Division −25 pts[155]
Rangers 14 February 2012[126] 14 June 2012[156] SPL −10 pts[126]
After its membership of the SFA was transferred to a new company, Sevco Scotland Ltd, Rangers were admitted to the Third Division.[157][158]
Dunfermline Athletic 27 March 2013[159] 13 December 2013[160] First Division −15 pts[161]
Heart of Midlothian 19 June 2013[162] 11 June 2014[163] SPL −15 pts[162]

That's 26% of clubs in Scottland going into administration

Also Hibs in 1990 administration

Third Lanark 1967 extinct

Partick Thistle 1998 close to going bankrupt

Cowdenbeath 2010 close to going under

Hamilton 2002  financial hardships

Dundee United 2016 financial troubles

 

Third Lanark were systematically run down & asset stripped by Bill Hiddleston in order to destroy the club to sell the land for housing (the land value had increased tenfold in just under twenty years).

Hugh Scott tried to do the same with Morton (he was also up to some highly dubious practices with the residents of Otago Lane in Glasgow), but that's another story), except he was stopped (just) in time ironically by Morton going into administration over unpaid bills which meant Kroll Buchler Philips were able to pass it over to those able to turn it around. Thanks to changes in the law, trying to deliberately run a sports club to dissolution is well nigh impossible nowadays, although a previous regime at East Stirlingshire also tried their best.

Clydebank were more the hapless victims of John Hall trying to use the club as a sellable "franchise" (ironically the way they entered the league via East Stirlingshire...) & keeping them homeless lodgers from club to club, draining what little resources they had. They like Third Lanark, Morton & East Stirlingshire were less financially doped as financially mugged.

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On 9/24/2016 at 11:22, Cel123 said:

Out of a league of 42 clubs since 2000

Club Entered
administration
Exited
administration
League(s) Deduction(s)
Greenock Morton 15 December 2000[136] 8 August 2001[137] First Division None
Clydebank 23 December 2000[138] 9 July 2002
Became Airdrie United[139]
Second Division None
Airdrieonians   21 May 2002
Dissolved[140]
First Division None
Motherwell 24 April 2002[141] 20 April 2004[142] SPL None
Dundee 25 November 2003[143] 6 August 2004[144] SPL None
Livingston 3 February 2004[145] 13 May 2005[146] SPL None
Gretna 10 March 2008[147] 8 August 2008
Dissolved[148]
SPL −10 pts[2]
Demoted to Third Division[149]
Livingston 24 July 2009[150] 13 August 2009[151] First Division Demoted to Third Division[152]
Dundee 14 October 2010[153] 12 May 2011[154] First Division −25 pts[155]
Rangers 14 February 2012[126] 14 June 2012[156] SPL −10 pts[126]
After its membership of the SFA was transferred to a new company, Sevco Scotland Ltd, Rangers were admitted to the Third Division.[157][158]
Dunfermline Athletic 27 March 2013[159] 13 December 2013[160] First Division −15 pts[161]
Heart of Midlothian 19 June 2013[162] 11 June 2014[163] SPL −15 pts[162]

 

Dundee United 2016 financial troubles

 

f**k up

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