Cel123 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Which are Scotland's Cult football teams here are some i think: Aberdeen Cup Winners Cup 1983 Celtic European Cup 1967 Rangers Cup Winners Cup 1972 Raith Rovers 1994-95 Dundee United UEFA Cup 1987 Motherwell Scottish Cup 1991 Celtic UEFA Cup 2003 Rangers UEFA Cup 2008 Hibs League Cup 1991 People please feel feel free to add and discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 29 minutes ago, Cel123 said: Which are Scotland's Cult football teams here are some i think: Celtic European Cup 1967 Rangers Cup Winners Cup 1972 Celtic UEFA Cup 2003 Rangers UEFA Cup 2008 People please feel feel free to add and discuss You've spelt "c**t" wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What does "cult team" actually mean? (I always took it to mean a team with an interesting history that fans quite enjoyed seeing do well, and neutrals went to watch; a team that also has some kind of cultural standing beyond football- in literature, music etc). In Scotland, then, we're looking at Third Lanark (few other teams would generate national headlines nearly 50 years after going bust), Partick Thistle, Clachnacuddin (English folk in particular seem a bit obsessed), Cowdenbeath post- Black Diamonds and the Blue Brazil, and, well, that's kind of it. Arguably, Pumpherston (the celebrity "Dukla Pumpherston" team) and Gala Fairydean. In England, briefly, we're looking at Accrington Stanley (see Third Lanark except they re-formed successfully) and Tranmere Rovers (google Half Man Half Biscuit for why). The list in the OP seems to be a list of teams that won something once upon a time. Note: a credible list of Scottish "cult teams" would never contain any incarnation of the bigoted arsecheeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel123 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 cult kʌlt/ noun 1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object. "the cult of St Olaf" 2. a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society. "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK" synonyms: craze, fashion, fad, vogue; informalthing "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK" Yes forgot about Cowdenbeath fantastic book. Excellent reply. Could you put Gretna in that ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Something with a cult following: most people don't give a shit about it but the small remainder are diehard hardcore fans. Bands like Big Star, films like Withnail etc... Not sure it really applies to football teams unless you pick a random lower league side with a loyal support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Cel123 said: cult kʌlt/ noun 1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object. "the cult of St Olaf" 2. a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society. "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK" synonyms: craze, fashion, fad, vogue; informalthing "the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK" Yes forgot about Cowdenbeath fantastic book. Excellent reply. Could you put Gretna in that ?? Too much bitterness from too many folk owing to Mileson-era Gretna I'm afraid. Arguably, the Gretna that entered the FA Cup, requiring an annual letter of permission from the SFA, and played in the Northern Premier League prior to 2002 were more of a "cult " team than Mileson's financially-doped Gretna Globetrotters. On the definition, I think there are elements of both definitions 1& 2 from the dictionary but there is a missing something there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 ( I am sure footage of Gretna giving Rochdale a fright at Raydale Park, and getting it right up Bolton at the old Burnden Park, will be on YouTube somewhere. The pre SFL Gretna punched way above their weight playing at that level) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The Third Lanark side of 1960-1961 has to be in there. The previous season's runners up in the League Cup, they finished 3rd in the league, scoring 100 goals but letting in 80, making Hi Hi games the most attractive in the land for those who wanted games guaranteed with plenty of goals. But Bill Hiddleston and crooked Labour councillor James Reilly were waiting in the wings, & after their hostile takeover less than a year later, the club had only six more years left to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel123 Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 What about Dundee early 2000s with Caniggia etc 2 seasons then forced into administration ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Personally I don't think you can be a "cult" team for a season or two...it's a label that sticks. It's a mistake I think to say " Team X was a cult team in season Y". Youre either a cult team, or you're not. That Dundee team falls for the same financial doping reasons as Gretna anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel123 Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Most teams in Scotland falls for the same financial doping reason don't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 No they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 It's shameful that this thread still has not received the input of you know who... Until his arrival, can I add to the list the League champion Dundee side of Bob Shankly (fresh from turning round Third Lanark from perennial music hall joke for decades into a formidable side once more) of 1961 through to their European Cup run to the Semi Finals of May 1963. The first club to truly show what a Scottish side could do in Europe. Alan Gilzean (who put a hattrick past Sporting Lisbon), Bobby Seith (who was to earn an equally unlikely English Championship with Burnley to his Scottish Championship with Dundee) & the legendary Gordon Smith at the twilight of his career adding the Dees to the Hearts & Hibs Scottish league championship medals were part of that golden age of Scottish football where the dreary Old Firm dominance looked to have been smashed for good. Alas! along with Ian Ure, the side was to be picked to the bone by English league piranhas, & a club that seemed to magic great players from the local streets (or at least the local Juniors!) was to fade into legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Luncarty Juniors were a bit of a cult in the 1990s when they were utterly abysmal and got mentions in "The Absolute Game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel123 Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 14 hours ago, Menzel said: No they don't. Out of a league of 42 clubs since 2000 Club Entered administration Exited administration League(s) Deduction(s) Greenock Morton 15 December 2000[136] 8 August 2001[137] First Division None Clydebank 23 December 2000[138] 9 July 2002 Became Airdrie United[139] Second Division None Airdrieonians 21 May 2002Dissolved[140] First Division None Motherwell 24 April 2002[141] 20 April 2004[142] SPL None Dundee 25 November 2003[143] 6 August 2004[144] SPL None Livingston 3 February 2004[145] 13 May 2005[146] SPL None Gretna 10 March 2008[147] 8 August 2008Dissolved[148] SPL −10 pts[2]Demoted to Third Division[149] Livingston 24 July 2009[150] 13 August 2009[151] First Division Demoted to Third Division[152] Dundee 14 October 2010[153] 12 May 2011[154] First Division −25 pts[155] Rangers 14 February 2012[126] 14 June 2012[156] SPL −10 pts[126] After its membership of the SFA was transferred to a new company, Sevco Scotland Ltd, Rangers were admitted to the Third Division.[157][158] Dunfermline Athletic 27 March 2013[159] 13 December 2013[160] First Division −15 pts[161] Heart of Midlothian 19 June 2013[162] 11 June 2014[163] SPL −15 pts[162] That's 26% of clubs in Scottland going into administration Also Hibs in 1990 administration Third Lanark 1967 extinct Partick Thistle 1998 close to going bankrupt Cowdenbeath 2010 close to going under Hamilton 2002 financial hardships Dundee United 2016 financial troubles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 So is 26% now "most teams in Scotland"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 46 minutes ago, Cel123 said: Out of a league of 42 clubs since 2000 Club Entered administration Exited administration League(s) Deduction(s) Greenock Morton 15 December 2000[136] 8 August 2001[137] First Division None Clydebank 23 December 2000[138] 9 July 2002 Became Airdrie United[139] Second Division None Airdrieonians 21 May 2002Dissolved[140] First Division None Motherwell 24 April 2002[141] 20 April 2004[142] SPL None Dundee 25 November 2003[143] 6 August 2004[144] SPL None Livingston 3 February 2004[145] 13 May 2005[146] SPL None Gretna 10 March 2008[147] 8 August 2008Dissolved[148] SPL −10 pts[2]Demoted to Third Division[149] Livingston 24 July 2009[150] 13 August 2009[151] First Division Demoted to Third Division[152] Dundee 14 October 2010[153] 12 May 2011[154] First Division −25 pts[155] Rangers 14 February 2012[126] 14 June 2012[156] SPL −10 pts[126] After its membership of the SFA was transferred to a new company, Sevco Scotland Ltd, Rangers were admitted to the Third Division.[157][158] Dunfermline Athletic 27 March 2013[159] 13 December 2013[160] First Division −15 pts[161] Heart of Midlothian 19 June 2013[162] 11 June 2014[163] SPL −15 pts[162] That's 26% of clubs in Scottland going into administration Also Hibs in 1990 administration Third Lanark 1967 extinct Partick Thistle 1998 close to going bankrupt Cowdenbeath 2010 close to going under Hamilton 2002 financial hardships Dundee United 2016 financial troubles Third Lanark were systematically run down & asset stripped by Bill Hiddleston in order to destroy the club to sell the land for housing (the land value had increased tenfold in just under twenty years). Hugh Scott tried to do the same with Morton (he was also up to some highly dubious practices with the residents of Otago Lane in Glasgow), but that's another story), except he was stopped (just) in time ironically by Morton going into administration over unpaid bills which meant Kroll Buchler Philips were able to pass it over to those able to turn it around. Thanks to changes in the law, trying to deliberately run a sports club to dissolution is well nigh impossible nowadays, although a previous regime at East Stirlingshire also tried their best. Clydebank were more the hapless victims of John Hall trying to use the club as a sellable "franchise" (ironically the way they entered the league via East Stirlingshire...) & keeping them homeless lodgers from club to club, draining what little resources they had. They like Third Lanark, Morton & East Stirlingshire were less financially doped as financially mugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cel123 Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 3 hours ago, Menzel said: So is 26% now "most teams in Scotland"? No but that's alot since 2000 though isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 So, it's not "most teams in Scotland" like you claimed. Good to have sorted that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 On 9/24/2016 at 11:22, Cel123 said: Out of a league of 42 clubs since 2000 Club Entered administration Exited administration League(s) Deduction(s) Greenock Morton 15 December 2000[136] 8 August 2001[137] First Division None Clydebank 23 December 2000[138] 9 July 2002 Became Airdrie United[139] Second Division None Airdrieonians 21 May 2002Dissolved[140] First Division None Motherwell 24 April 2002[141] 20 April 2004[142] SPL None Dundee 25 November 2003[143] 6 August 2004[144] SPL None Livingston 3 February 2004[145] 13 May 2005[146] SPL None Gretna 10 March 2008[147] 8 August 2008Dissolved[148] SPL −10 pts[2]Demoted to Third Division[149] Livingston 24 July 2009[150] 13 August 2009[151] First Division Demoted to Third Division[152] Dundee 14 October 2010[153] 12 May 2011[154] First Division −25 pts[155] Rangers 14 February 2012[126] 14 June 2012[156] SPL −10 pts[126] After its membership of the SFA was transferred to a new company, Sevco Scotland Ltd, Rangers were admitted to the Third Division.[157][158] Dunfermline Athletic 27 March 2013[159] 13 December 2013[160] First Division −15 pts[161] Heart of Midlothian 19 June 2013[162] 11 June 2014[163] SPL −15 pts[162] Dundee United 2016 financial troubles f**k up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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