Cerberus Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/news-parliament-2017/brexit-deal-no-deal-published/ So when May said that "no deal was better than a bad deal" she was talking shite. Can someone give me 1 thing that Leave said about Brexit that wasn't a total lie? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/eu-select-committee-/news-parliament-2017/brexit-deal-no-deal-published/ So when May said that "no deal was better than a bad deal" she was talking shite. Can someone give me 1 thing that Leave said about Brexit that wasn't a total lie? 365 million a week extra for NHS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 a return to the good old days 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Engerlund and its colonies doesn’t get told what to do, it tells others what to do! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 We will return to the days where sailing ships ruled the waves and everybody could quote Rudyard Kipling. We might even bring back scurvy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Antlion said: Engerlund and its colonies doesn’t get told what to do, it tells others what to do! They can go whistle... Or maybe not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, zidane's child said: a return to the good old days 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Interesting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Interesting Mrs Bunfield!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Interesting So basically, about half the folk in NI know they're rooked without money from the EU, and the other half think they belong to a country which doesn't give a f**k about them in reality? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 and the other half think they belong to a country which doesn't give a f**k about them in reality? Sounds familiar. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 The Island of Ireland... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 So an agreement has been reached; or has it? Sky website has a text of the agreement: Citizens’ rights - bit too obscure for me to understand tbh. Irish border - contains this bit: “51. Both Parties will establish mechanisms to ensure the implementation and oversight of any specific arrangement to safeguard the integrity of the EU Internal Market and the Customs Union.” That sounds like nothing has been agreed and it’s just kicking the issue into the long grass. Divorce Bill - a mechanism has been agreed to determine this. Looks like a major fudge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Interesting It should be pointed out that this is a leading question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: So an agreement has been reached; or has it? Sky website has a text of the agreement: Citizens’ rights - bit too obscure for me to understand tbh. Irish border - contains this bit: “51. Both Parties will establish mechanisms to ensure the implementation and oversight of any specific arrangement to safeguard the integrity of the EU Internal Market and the Customs Union.” That sounds like nothing has been agreed and it’s just kicking the issue into the long grass. Divorce Bill - a mechanism has been agreed to determine this. Looks like a major fudge. Erm yeah, all a bit of a fudge. On Citizen's Rights if I heard correct they'll be regulated by the UK courts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Spoiler .................with oversight by the EU ones. On the Irish border, a soft one, but a seat for the DUP at the negotiating table when issues arise giving the DUP opportunities to dip into the pork barrel in years to come. A mechanism has indeed been agreed for the Divorce Bill, the EU can whistle for it & Boris will send it over. Edited December 8, 2017 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 My politics couldn't be more opposed to the DUP in every way, however kudos to them in the "punching above their weight" stakes. I hope Nick fucking Clegg is paying attention.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 From my understanding of it it's SM & CU along with free movement of people (with some clever word play - alignment)? So we pay £50b and have an inferior trade deal with the EU than we have now - what was the point in all this then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 "BRINNIT" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 If I understand what just happened this is slowly turning into a soft Brexit in all but name, because Westminster politicians have finally faced reality of how much power and influence they really have nowadays. Looks like the DUP did something good for the rest of the UK when they insisted that anything that applied to NI had to happen elsewhere as well. Eliminating the east-west barrier keeps the Union more secure where NI is concerned, but not with Scotland because it puts independence for Scotland in the EU back on the agenda again as a viable alternative for the referendum swinging pragmatists, if hard borders are no longer in play, so I suspect Nicola Sturgeon is doing cartwheels around her office in metaphorical terms right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Probably unhelpful for the press to call this a deal as it only establishes "sufficient progress" has been made to talk about the future UK/EU relationship. It could still yet fall apart. I think the Irish border problem has simply been booted down the road, personally. NI leaves CU &SM but there will be regulatory alignment on "areas necessary to ensure North/South cooperation" if the UK and EU can't agree a deal. Oh, and Stormont can block it if this means creating barriers between NI and GB. Doesn't fundamentally solve the issue, IMO - proper functioning is too heavily dependent on future UK/EU deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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