topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 There's a group of people that revolted against a Westminster elite that either waged war on them under Thatcher or ignored their existence under Blair and Cameron. I don't think those people are as worthy of criticism as much as the politicians, businesses and media which treated them with contempt for over 30 years. By choosing to concentrate more power in Westminster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 By choosing to concentrate more power in Westminster I'm not saying that the choice to vote Leave was a rational one but I think it's a by-product of a voting system and political culture that saw parties chase a few thousand votes in key marginals while destroying entire communities and leaving them to rot. The increasing convergence of the two or three main parties and a cosy neoliberal consensus doubtless didn't help matters either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Anybody seen 490 billion quid??Might have dropped it down the couch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I read over the weekend that court proceedings may be about to commence to release the findings of these 50 or so studies into the effects of Brexit on certain industries.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brexit-european-union-studies-economic-effects-treasury-a8000326.html Hard not to be cynical and surmise that these studies show a post Brexit UK as being (significantly) worse off than it currently is. After all, if a post Brexit Britain was thought by these studies to be so good you'd imagine Davis and others would be keen to show them off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I read over the weekend that court proceedings may be about to commence to release the findings of these 50 or so studies into the effects of Brexit on certain industries.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brexit-european-union-studies-economic-effects-treasury-a8000326.html Hard not to be cynical and surmise that these studies show a post Brexit UK as being (significantly) worse off than it currently is. After all, if a post Brexit Britain was thought by these studies to be so good you'd imagine Davis and others would be keen to show them off. The Ruth Davidson no surrender branch of the government could get the Scottish figures and give us all a heads up to how bad its going to be.She's got that kind of clout seemingly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 The Ruth Davidson no surrender branch of the government could get the Scottish figures and give us all a heads up to how bad its going to be.She's got that kind of clout seemingly. tRuthless is too busy not doing surgeries, and planning the cull of her weakest MSPs in preparation for government, it's being reported.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I'm not saying that the choice to vote Leave was a rational one you’d rather Granny Danger had included a third “irrational” category? or can he bundle them into the “stupid” one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vote-leave-brexit-chief-dominic-cummings-disaster-eu-european-union-theresa-may-david-davis-a8002426.html Brexit is turning into a disaster, says Vote Leave chief Also: David Davis is "thick as mince". This must all come as a shock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I like this headline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Cerberus said: I like this headline. That'll show them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 I like this headline. Hard c**t -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 I really enjoyed the Mad Max films so I'm looking forward to a dirty hard Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 20 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: By choosing to concentrate more power in Westminster "Westminster" was very much pro-remain. If you wanted to stick it to the establishment, voting leave was a logical conclusion. I doubt any other considerations mattered to these voters. If you feel ignored by the government, why would you vote the way it wants you to? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 "Westminster" was very much pro-remain. If you wanted to stick it to the establishment, voting leave was a logical conclusion. I doubt any other considerations mattered to these voters. If you feel ignored by the government, why would you vote the way it wants you to? I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just saying that these people are fucking idiots Explaining the mechanism through which their idiocy manifested itself, which may be a worthwhile exercise, doesn’t alter that idiocy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Michael W said: "Westminster" was very much pro-remain. If you wanted to stick it to the establishment, voting leave was a logical conclusion. I doubt any other considerations mattered to these voters. If you feel ignored by the government, why would you vote the way it wants you to? All very well, but the main pro brexit backers both inside and outside Westminster are the very manifestation of the establishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickAss Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I’m not disagreeing with you I’m just saying that these people are fucking idiots Explaining the mechanism through which their idiocy manifested itself, which may be a worthwhile exercise, doesn’t alter that idiocy The hoi polloi have very few mechanisms for 'sticking it to the man' . Cameron was stupid enough to give them this prime opportunity to do just that. I totally respect them for doing so as the hoi polloi were being shafted from above , from below, from behind and from Brussels. How else do you suggest they should have expressed their dissatisfaction when no-one was listening? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 The hoi polloi have very few mechanisms for 'sticking it to the man' . Cameron was stupid enough to give them this prime opportunity to do just that. I totally respect them for doing so as the hoi polloi were being shafted from above , from below, from behind and from Brussels. How else do you suggest they should have expressed their dissatisfaction when no-one was listening? As I say we’re not really in disagreement here. You’re saying they’re angry I’m saying they’re morons These aren’t contradictory positions Indeed anger seldom makes people wiser 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickAss Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 9 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: As I say we’re not really in disagreement here. You’re saying they’re angry I’m saying they’re morons These aren’t contradictory positions Indeed anger seldom makes people wiser I agree. I was hoping the political class and media would have learned a salutary lesson from the referendum result , but subsequent events have proven otherwise......both sides of the channel. There really is no hope for the masses and I understand the source and expression of their anger , however stupid it may ultimately prove to be. I 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The latest statement following last night's dinner is wonderful and meaningless. Here's what really happened, May got told that if she wants progress on a post-Brexit trade agreement she must come up with a solution to the Irish border issue, find a way of protecting the rights of EU citizens living in the U.K. and be clearer about how much the U.K. will spend on the divorce bill. In other words address the same three issues that needed addressed last week, last month, six months ago... Anything else is just smoke and mirrors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 18:49, topcat(The most tip top) said: By choosing to concentrate more power in Westminster I suppose the thinking would be that it's theoretically possible for English people to change Westminster to a greater extent than to change the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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