Socks Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't think there was ever an explanation for it being Sunday, so would assume it was just because Dundee were at home the same weekend. The other game in the group was initially scheduled for Sunday as well, but Inverness and Arbroath agreed to move it to Saturday. There will justifiably be outrage if a draw suits both sides and the last 20 minutes are played out tamely to ensure that result. Although I'd take it if it does work out that way and we go through, it definitely isn't right and should not have happened like this. The league had absolute flexibility over how it scheduled the games, so it does seem outrageously stupid to have a fixture clash on the only day of the 5 that it actually matters. I'm also a bit puzzled that away goals are used after points and goal difference to decide the four best sides. That's stupid when some teams will have the two weaker sides away while others will have them at home. Obviously it can never be completely fair to compare across different groups, but away goals is a daft metric to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im_Rodger Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Draw confirmed to be straight after The United vs Pars game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Looks like there'll be a bit of a fight for the final seeded place. Rangers are already guaranteed, with Partick and St Johnstone having played their 'tough' matches with two L1/L2 teams to come you'd expect them to finish on 12 points too. Alloa can secure a seeded place by beating both Ross County and Raith, or Dunfermline can do so by beating both Inverness and Dundee United. After that it would be a team on 11 points that do it, and that it'll be decided on the controversial GD/away goals nonsense between groups. Possible teams at the moment who could do it are Raith (GD + 2, Alloa at home), East Fife (GD + 3, Forfar away) and Morton (GD + 3, Berwick at home). Alloa or Dunfermline of course could join this group by winning one and winning on penalties in their remaining matches. Looks like there'll be a 'diddy' seeded at least in the next round - two if you include Hibs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartyMac Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 15 hours ago, Paco said: Looks like there'll be a bit of a fight for the final seeded place. Rangers are already guaranteed, with Partick and St Johnstone having played their 'tough' matches with two L1/L2 teams to come you'd expect them to finish on 12 points too. St Johnstone can't get any more than 10 points now. And will get less than this when we pump them. Wibble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 As an aside it's worth noting that when the original announcements on the new cup format were made at the turn of the year, it was said the knockout stages would be unseeded. It is minor, but I'd have liked that to have been honoured to make things more "open". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Id be amazed if we were one of the seeded sides, regardless of whether or not we actually manage to win the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 On 7/25/2016 at 23:23, Socks said: I don't think there was ever an explanation for it being Sunday, so would assume it was just because Dundee were at home the same weekend. The other game in the group was initially scheduled for Sunday as well, but Inverness and Arbroath agreed to move it to Saturday. There will justifiably be outrage if a draw suits both sides and the last 20 minutes are played out tamely to ensure that result. Although I'd take it if it does work out that way and we go through, it definitely isn't right and should not have happened like this. The league had absolute flexibility over how it scheduled the games, so it does seem outrageously stupid to have a fixture clash on the only day of the 5 that it actually matters. I'm also a bit puzzled that away goals are used after points and goal difference to decide the four best sides. That's stupid when some teams will have the two weaker sides away while others will have them at home. Obviously it can never be completely fair to compare across different groups, but away goals is a daft metric to use. It's goals scored after goal difference, then away goals. From the site; If clubs are level on points at the end of the group stage the criteria for separating them is 1) goal difference, 2) goals scored, 3) away goals scored, 4) matches won, 5) away matches won, 6) drawing of lots. Agree though that it's daft for the reasons you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 As a tie-breaker, away goals / away wins is rather dodgy when you only play half the teams at home and half the teams away, isn't it? Chances of it actually coming into play must be fairly low, but one club might have had home games against unseeded SPFL1/2 sides, whereas another against tougher opponents. Also surprised they haven't included points won in 90 minutes (i.e. excluding bonus points) as a tie-breaker. EDIT: Actually that's exactly the point Socks was making, about not playing home-and-away. Read the quotes, HJ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I'm amazed that folk are getting so worked up about the minutiae of this competition. I think it's been OK, the penalty thing has been a bit of a novelty and added a wee bit of drama, and it's better than meaningless friendlies IMO. The seeding thing is a bit of a joke but hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starryfish Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 What are the dates for the big teams coming in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Last 16 - week on Tuesday/Wednesday (9th/10th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Seeded Celtic Hibs Aberdeen Hearts Rangers Alloa Partick Thistle Morton Unseeded Peterhead St Johnstone Inverness CT Queen of the South Motherwell Hamilton Ayr United Dundee Utd/Dunfermline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Seeds Alloa and Morton will be a popular draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 58 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Seeded Celtic Hibs Aberdeen Hearts Rangers Alloa Partick Thistle Morton Unseeded Peterhead St Johnstone Inverness CT Queen of the South Motherwell Hamilton Ayr United Dundee Utd/Dunfermline BBCesque reporting there Craig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Seeds Alloa and Morton will be a popular draw Form an orderly queue for Lee 'Bonucci' Kilday's back pocket then. Zero goals conceded and not about to start against the unseeded dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Seeded Celtic Hibs Aberdeen Hearts Rangers Alloa Partick Thistle Morton Unseeded Peterhead St Johnstone Inverness CT Queen of the South Motherwell Hamilton Ayr United Dundee Utd/Dunfermline Without the bonus points it would have been.CelticRangersPartickHibsAberdeenHeartsAlloaICTMortonHamiltonSt JohnstoneDundeeMotherwellAyrQotsRoss county/Dunfermline/Dundee united. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septentrional Wasp Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Inverness or Peterhead away please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyWellFan Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Anyone bar sellick or the child snatchers.Would enjoy Alloa away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestmen Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Killie at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 We will, of course, have a home tie. A fixture vs Peterhead would keep it in the family. Will there be gate-sharing? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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