LongTimeLurker Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 12 hours ago, gaz5 said: Money starts first round proper AFAIK, £2000 R1, £4000 R2, £6000 R3, £8000 R4. Sounds sensible as a preliminary round is normally viewed only as a way to gain access to the main competition, so these extra rounds can be viewed as being like the old north and south Qualifying Cups. Setting things up like this actually should help to minimise the opposition to involvement by junior clubs if there is effectively a cap of six on the maximum possible number of entries from the SJFA at R1 regardless of how many SJFA clubs ultimately become licensed. I think only Haddington Athletic are currently trying to do it and you have to wonder how often smaller junior clubs like that from beneath top tier east and west superleague level would make it through these two preliminary rounds, if four of the six R1 entries many/most seasons would be Lithgae, plus the junior cup winner and east and west superleague champions given the way Kelty found out that the EoS winner are no mugs. The only thing that could lead to further changes now would be a restructure of the Highland League into two divisions, but that seems to be in don't hold your breath territory at the moment given the strong opposition from many of its members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Sounds sensible as a preliminary round is normally viewed only as a way to gain access to the main competition, so these extra rounds can be viewed as being like the old north and south Qualifying Cups. Setting things up like this actually should help to minimise the opposition to involvement by junior clubs if there is effectively a cap of six on the maximum possible number of entries from the SJFA at R1 regardless of how many SJFA clubs ultimately become licensed. I think only Haddington Athletic are currently trying to do it and you have to wonder how often smaller junior clubs like that from beneath top tier east and west superleague level would make it through these two preliminary rounds, if four of the six R1 entries many/most seasons would be Lithgae, plus the junior cup winner and east and west superleague champions given the way Kelty found out that the EoS winner are no mugs. The only thing that could lead to further changes now would be a restructure of the Highland League into two divisions, but that seems to be in don't hold your breath territory at the moment given the strong opposition from many of its members. It has ultimately from a juniors point of view changed from being admitted to the scottish cup to having the opportunity to be in round one.fair enough,we will just get on with it.it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 28 minutes ago, happy said: It has ultimately from a juniors point of view changed from being admitted to the scottish cup to having the opportunity to be in round one.fair enough,we will just get on with it.it is what it is. That's how society started to break down in Animal Farm. Thin end of the wedge etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Think the major attraction of the Scottish Cup from a juniors perspective is the shot at playing one of the larger full-time clubs from the fourth round onwards. It now takes five successful rounds to get that for, if you are one of the four qualifiers. Previously it would have been four with less danger of the Beith vs Talbot scenario early on. Not so much changes from the perspective of the handful of larger junior clubs from what I can see, but it looks like a way of keeping a club like Maryhill off the gravy train most seasons, if they decided to take advantage of the ground upgrades that BSC Glasgow/Alloa made to get Lochburn Park up to scratch for entry level, and it could also help to put off some of the more progressive district level clubs like Blackburn United from ever getting around to paying the £2000 application fee on entry level and taking the plunge on full SFA membership. End result is keeping the status quo way of doing things intact without completely eliminating the licensing pathway to SJFA members, so they can still keep all the rhetoric of pushing a pyramid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, HTG said: That's how society started to break down in Animal Farm. Thin end of the wedge etc etc When your invited you can't dictate terms and conditions.you accept or decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manintheknow Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Beith had to beat Linlithgow last time around so not much has changed. If both teams get through then it's a bumper gate and they'd much prefer that to meeting each other in the semi final of the league cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 That's a great point. Hadn't thought of it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 45 minutes ago, manintheknow said: Beith had to beat Linlithgow last time around so not much has changed. If both teams get through then it's a bumper gate and they'd much prefer that to meeting each other in the semi final of the league cup. Beith v Linlithgow was a much less likely occurrence because there were about 32 ties in that first round. Of course it can happen but the probability is now far higher because these teams are all scrambling for 6 places in the competition proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 5 hours ago, happy said: When your invited you can't dictate terms and conditions.you accept or decline. Fair enough. It's a fundamental change for Linlithgow though who were treated the same as the LL and HL clubs last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 And we got too far and annoyed some of the low league hangers on ...... Now they want their ball back and stop the upstart juniors getting their hand outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 'Glasgow University FC players have allegedly been studying the successes of Leicester, Wales and Iceland. So with this new/novel academic 'off the field' approach, added to the in depth experience which this longstanding SFA Member club has acquired over decades, everyone should expect them to reach at least Round 3. Fill your Cup with Bovril, and don't have nightmares ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Robert James said: 'Glasgow University FC players have allegedly been studying the successes of Leicester, Wales and Iceland. So with this new/novel academic 'off the field' approach, added to the in depth experience which this longstanding SFA Member club has acquired over decades, everyone should expect them to reach at least Round 3. Fill your Cup with Bovril, and don't have nightmares ! Bet they're still shite, fake accented twats whether they drink beetroot juice of not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 If they're students, will they be out of bed before the 3pm ko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 On 20/07/2016 at 09:40, LongTimeLurker said: Think the major attraction of the Scottish Cup from a juniors perspective is the shot at playing one of the larger full-time clubs from the fourth round onwards. It now takes five successful rounds to get that for, if you are one of the four qualifiers. Previously it would have been four with less danger of the Beith vs Talbot scenario early on. Not so much changes from the perspective of the handful of larger junior clubs from what I can see, but it looks like a way of keeping a club like Maryhill off the gravy train most seasons, if they decided to take advantage of the ground upgrades that BSC Glasgow/Alloa made to get Lochburn Park up to scratch for entry level, and it could also help to put off some of the more progressive district level clubs like Blackburn United from ever getting around to paying the £2000 application fee on entry level and taking the plunge on full SFA membership. End result is keeping the status quo way of doing things intact without completely eliminating the licensing pathway to SJFA members, so they can still keep all the rhetoric of pushing a pyramid. I'd love to see these ground upgrades someone did for us. Maybe you can point them out sometime. The fact is Lochburn wasn't that far away from being up to standard anyway having been more or less rebuilt from scratch in the last 20 years (hence BSC signing up ostensibly for a three-year groundshare in the first place) - what was required was fairly minor and handled mainly in-house. We've laid new drainage this summer to alleviate the waterlogging problems of the last few seasons - this was done after Alloa's newest club flew the coop in April. Hopefully the credit for doing that won't be attributed to them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 You have a lot to thank Ronnie Macdonald for as do Hamilton Accies. Hope you don't get put off doing the Scottish Cup thing having seen you mention in another thread that the possibility is something your club is aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Indeed we do. The Scottish Cup thing's one that I'd personally like to see happen down the line if only for the fact we had history in the competition in the 1800s and we'd have to be setting some kind of world record for time elapsed since our last entry in the national cup competition, with our most recent appearance being a pumping off Linthouse in 1890!. In the short term we're more concerned about consolidating in the Superleagues with the new division being probably the hardest in the Juniors to do so, with potentially a 50% turnover of teams each year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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