Ira Gaines Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I've insulted you before but not here. I'm not getting the relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 65% Corbyn and 35% Smith is my prediction.Looking at the summer as a whole it seems a bit ridiculous that Corbyn can lose a no confidence vote so resoundingly and yet still end up as leader. Corbynistas have gone from thinking he can lead the party to electoral victory to now being in a place where by and large they know and admit they can't but seem to think it doesn't matter.Oh well, same time and place next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 65% Corbyn and 35% Smith is my prediction.Looking at the summer as a whole it seems a bit ridiculous that Corbyn can lose a no confidence vote so resoundingly and yet still end up as leader. Corbynistas have gone from thinking he can lead the party to electoral victory to now being in a place where by and large they know and admit they can't but seem to think it doesn't matter.Oh well, same time and place next year? It's not that ridiculous when the no confidence is coming from the horrible c***s in the plp. No one gives a f**k about their opinion which is why Corbyn was elected in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 It's not that ridiculous when the no confidence is coming from the horrible c***s in the plp. No one gives a f**k about their opinion which is why Corbyn was elected in the first place They are the elected representatives of the people. As a group their view is more valid than the Labour membership selectorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Ignoring the general public's rolling vote of no confidence in the mumbleclown then? Because that's bound to end well for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 They are the elected representatives of the people. As a group their view is more valid than the Labour membership selectorate. Yes. And once elected turn into self serving c***s of the highest order.They are elected as an MP for the Labour Party. They are not the party nor the sole arbiters of what is best for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 They are elected on a manifesto by thousands of people in their constituency. Representing their party is only part of the job. Representing their constituents is another. They're perfectly entitled to form their own opinions on the leadership. They haven't got their seats on the back of Corbyn and are now stabbing him in the back. He was barely relevant when they were were campaigning to be elected. Anyway, I'll go for 64/36 Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I think the break from 'traditional politician' is a big factor that's not been mentioned enough in the discussions above.Yes labour under Miliband went to the left but they did so whist still coming across as a 'slick pr' exercise. He was trying to be Blair (in a presentation sense) and following advisors orders at every turn.Farage represents a real difference from that, as does Salmond. People who are not particularly political are looking at whether or not they trust the person - and whether they can argue from a genuine, passionate place. The actual detail, imo, is much less of a factor for a lot of people.Corbyn has the chance to do the same - but there's not much evidence of it yet. The fact he's constantly fire fighting in his own party has been a bit of a distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I think the break from 'traditional politician' is a big factor that's not been mentioned enough in the discussions above.Yes labour under Miliband went to the left but they did so whist still coming across as a 'slick pr' exercise. He was trying to be Blair (in a presentation sense) and following advisors orders at every turn.Farage represents a real difference from that, as does Salmond. People who are not particularly political are looking at whether or not they trust the person - and whether they can argue from a genuine, passionate place. The actual detail, imo, is much less of a factor for a lot of people.Corbyn has the chance to do the same - but there's not much evidence of it yet. The fact he's constantly fire fighting in his own party has been a bit of a distraction. Salmond and Farage are both charismatic. Corbyn isn't, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 67/33 Corbyn I'll go for.Some advice to sensible Labour moderates, if you plan another coup next year and don't want it to go as hilariously awful as this one, pick a better candidate than either Owen Smith or Angela Eagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Looks like Corbyn has increased his mandate!!! Ha ha.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Deselect the Blarites protest going on [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 497'000 people voted. 77.6% turnout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Guardian are saying 62%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Oh please, oh PLEASE, a 70% for Corbyn & then we can all sit back & watch the fun as Labour makes the Great Leap Forward into the abyss. Couldn't happen to a nicer party after what they did (& especially what they never did) for Scotland. EDIT: Corbyn 61.8% Smith 38.2%. Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Well that worked out well for the Blairites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Pissed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 62% for Corbyn apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Jeremy Corbyn has now won double the leadership elections that Tony Blair has. I expect this to be used as a serious point to counter his criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 The campaign amongst members of the PLP and their fellow travellers to undermine Corbyn will continue and probably intensify. Wholesale deselection is the only hope for Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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