WhiteRoseKillie Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Harsh picture, although there's no doubt Benn is the epitome of the type of self-serving cúnt that gets held up as "statesman-like" on that side of the house these days. I've said since Thatcher's 1983 Election Campaign the Falklands that any MP voting for military action - any military action - should hand their children over to help out in whatever capacity, up to and including frontline duties. Might give the bastárds pause for thought next time they decide to help the Yanks film their next "defence" industry sales video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 The failure to act when necessary to stop the introduction of fees for tertiary education. The failure to address issues of social housing. The deregulation of the banking industry. The scandal of the Private Finance Initiative. The selling off of the country's assets at rock-bottom prices. The failure to reinstate Union Rights to workers denied them*, and indeed acting to further curtail them. Many, many, deaths in wars prosecuted simply in order to curry favour with US interests. All part of St. Tony's legacy. Which of them would you say benefitted "the people Labour are supposed to represent"? *A manifesto promise, and allied to Jack fúcking Straw's "Private Prisons are repugnant" volte-face once in power, one of the things which finally stopped me voting Labour. They're also supposed to represent Public Sector workers, y'know. However, I didn't mention New Labour or the Blair government. It's not 'Corbyn or Blair'. I'd quite like someone with Corbyn's principles so long as they were good at their job, were actually convincing people and there was something behind it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 On 21/08/2016 at 22:46, jmothecat said: We're part of the same party. We are supposed to be comrades. I've never heard the same sort of anger or animosity at moderate Labour meetings. If the new politics means booing people for taking a principled stand then I prefer the old politics. I didn't hear you get this up in arms when Corbyn was told by a fellow MP to "sit down and shut up" whilst speaking about Iraq in the House of Commons. On 21/08/2016 at 23:07, jmothecat said: Corbyn was given a chance 22 hours ago, jmothecat said: I'm not a huge fan of her and I don't think she's a great leader but she's clearly a far far better leader than Jeremy Corbyn is. 22 hours ago, jmothecat said: Dugdale is a poor leader. I don't disagree. It emphasises how poor Corbyn is that he's worse. You're #sumboi for the political comedy, JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Still not had an actual explanation for what makes Dugdale better either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 This. Until labour have some real principles then they wont be protecting real labour voters in deprived areas. They would be gaining power for the sake of lining their own pockets. The labour 'moderates' here seem to vote labour like they were football fans and want rid of corbyn as he is a manager who wants to succeed by playing decent football rather one who will win the title at any possible cost.....winning is everything even the club is bankrupt after the victory parade. Corbyn in football would be like the lad you hear in the pub. He talks a good game and you agree with most of what he says. Then he somehow gets the managers job. The director of football, the scouts and all the football people around quit like the economic advisors appointed. 80% of the team refuse to play as they haven't got a fuckin clue what's going on as all the messages are confusing. He has to sign and call up anyone from youth teams to fill the gaps, and the team are going out with 8 players with some having to fill two roles.However it's all everyone else's fault. He keeps going back to the pub and telling his mates this, who all believe him as he's standing by those grand principles he had. But the rest of the fan base and the country think he's utterly clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 :lol: You're #sumboi for the political comedy, JMO. And you are just a absolute Nat fuckwit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipped Flake Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 13 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar said: And you are just a absolute Nat fuckwit good comeback, showing your depth of political knowledge and grasp of current World affairs. You are wasted here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Terrible analogy. Corbyn hasn't been unfairly promoted out of nowhere. He entered a leadership contest against big names in the party like Burnham/Cooper and pumped them fair and square. By the way, I really don't agree that Labour aren't winning because they aren't Socialist. What percentage of the UK would call themselves that? I wouldn't. The SNP quite blatantly aren't Socialists either. Their policies range from centre to centre left. Which suits me and the majority of people in Scotland (less so in England but still a lot of people) pretty well. I'd rather vote for a party that I can trust not to vote through (either in govt or by abstention) hawkishly right wing policies, than guys like Smith who laughably describe themselves as Socialists. That's not me going down the Red Tories line either. Labour aren't Socialists or Tories, they're absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Oh and that picture isn't remotely harsh on Benn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Submitted my vote for Smith online today. Japes. Voted Red Jezza really, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Submitted my vote for Smith online today.Japes. Voted Red Jezza really, obviously. Did you just go online to do it or did you have to wait for an email? I've still not had an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Did you just go online to do it or did you have to wait for an email? I've still not had an email. Only joined in the last six months type post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Did you just go online to do it or did you have to wait for an email? I've still not had an email. Received an email, headed "Labour Party Elections". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Highlandmagyar said: And you are just a absolute Nat fuckwit Bit harsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Terrible analogy. Corbyn hasn't been unfairly promoted out of nowhere. He entered a leadership contest against big names in the party like Burnham/Cooper and pumped them fair and square. He did come out of nowhere tbh, because he hadn't shown he has any leadership qualities in the slightest before being put forward for the contest, initially to broaden the debate. He DID talk a good game, and convinced many, including me to a certain extent. But it isn't so much about what he does say, it's more about what he doesn't say. He has utterly failed to provide anything behind the grand statements and the overall ideas. His leadership has been shambolic and incompetent. That's why the economic advisors he appointed quit. That's why most of his shadow cabinet, that he appointed, have quit. That's why 80% of his own MPs are against him, and that's why Khan and Dugdale, whatever you think of them, who despite knowing he is overwhelming favourite to win the leadership contest again, have still, STILL come out against him. Even though they know they'll probably still have to try, somehow, to work with him going forward. But of course, this is the 'post-fact', nobody to be trusted world of Trump, Gove, Corbyn, climate change deniers and Boris Johnson. Anyone can find an avenue online to back up their minority opinion, no matter how bizarre it might be. Anyone who cannot stand those who disagree with them jump on the 'anti-establishment' bandwagon, and it doesn't matter what warnings, what obvious failings are highlighted and what disasters ensue, they know best and everyone else is either unprincipled, has an ulterior motive or is part of some grand conspiracy. If you don't have an argument, cloud things with Blair, because he's unpopular, and obviously anyone against Corbyn must be pro-Blair. It's probably all a symptom of today's social media world, where people are rarely confronted with differing views anymore. They're online friends with people who agree with them, they read articles from people who agree with them and they're almost brainwashed into believing there's some huge conspiracy against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Apparently CCTV from the train journey that Corbyn made the other week shows him and his team walking past numerous empty seats before sitting down on the floor to be filmed by his team. Following the filming he walked back down the carriage and sat in a seat for the rest of the journey. You genuinely couldn't make this sort of thing up. He's a left-wing Ryan Lochte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Here's the Virgin Trains statement - https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/about/media-room/#/pressreleases/virgin-trains-clarifies-labour-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Apparently CCTV from the train journey that Corbyn made the other week shows him and his team walking past numerous empty seats before sitting down on the floor to be filmed by his team. Following the filming he walked back down the carriage and sat in a seat for the rest of the journey. You genuinely couldn't make this sort of thing up. He's a left-wing Ryan Lochte. Surely this is some sort of conspiracy though?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Here's the Virgin Trains statement - https://www.virgintrains.co.uk/about/media-room/#/pressreleases/virgin-trains-clarifies-labour-leaders-claim-of-ram-packed-service-1530005 Scoop of the leadership election so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I believe the term is "fucked it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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