Adamski Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Would it not be as likely that leavers would rally behind UKIP or the Torys depending on their manifesto/ promises Perhaps, but people who voted Remain are galvanised at the moment, the Tories will be cast as divided and UKIP are still toxic to large sections of society. In a multi-party system if Remain voters coalesced around one party then that would be enough to win the seat in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Always find it amusing when a Corbynista on Twitter or elsewhere attempts to label Tom Watson a Blairite. A definitive sign that they've been in the Labour Party for about five minutes. Clueless. In my experience people outside the Labour Party have very little idea what a Blairite is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Heavy pinch of salt (based on who is tweeting it) but there's a rumour that Corbyn has approached Caroline Lucas to join the shadow cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 In my experience people outside the Labour Party have very little idea what a Blairite is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 In my experience people outside the Labour Party have very little idea what a Blairite is. If I saw an arsehole with a suit and red rosette I'd quite confidently assume them to be a Blairite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Heavy pinch of salt (based on who is tweeting it) but there's a rumour that Corbyn has approached Caroline Lucas to join the shadow cabinet. Denied. http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2462977/caroline-lucas-denies-rumours-she-is-set-to-join-labour-shadow-cabinet A shame as I think a Progressive Alliance might be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Am I right in saying that almost 70% of labour voters voted remain? Did a pretty terrible job of sabotaging it if so. Has anyone provided any evidence of it so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Utterly delusional nonsense. Well meaning utterly delusional nonsense tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Denied. http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2462977/caroline-lucas-denies-rumours-she-is-set-to-join-labour-shadow-cabinet A shame as I think a Progressive Alliance might be cool. It definitely seemed far fetched. Shane as it would have been another nail in his coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Yeah I hate elected leaders too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Yeah I hate elected leaders too. He was elected to lead, he hasn't done it, the people elected to represent the people have decided he is harming working people. Quite rightly. If he had an ounce of decency he would resign, but he cares more about the people who elected him leader than he does about the party, about the country, or about the people our party are supposed to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He was elected to lead, he hasn't done it, the people elected to represent the people have decided he is harming working people. Quite rightly. If he had an ounce of decency he would resign, but he cares more about the people who elected him leader than he does about the party, about the country, or about the people our party are supposed to help. Except them and theirs your shower of shite of a party gave up on that long long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He was elected to lead, he hasn't done it, the people elected to represent the people have decided he is harming working people. Quite rightly. If he had an ounce of decency he would resign, but he cares more about the people who elected him leader than he does about the party, about the country, or about the people our party are supposed to help. Whilst i dont disagree who is going to stand against him and why dont they get on with it so to speak?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Except them and theirs your shower of shite of a party gave up on that long long ago. 2010 was only six years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Labour are finished. What a mess! I seriously think that SNP should start campaigning in England, posting candidates, we can't lose any more deposits than the Lib Dems did last GE? Only partially joking with this comment. Set up a centre left English National Party and campaign with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 2010 was only six years ago. Oh, you'd given up well before 2010, hopefully it's sometime after never before your shambles of a party get the opportunity to "help" anyone again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I do actually understand Labour wanting rid of Corbyn. The Tories are in a complete mess and the next leader is going to have an unmanageable shitshow to deal with. With a decent leader, they'd have a chance of bringing thesmelves back from the dead pretty soon. However the fact that with everything going on, Labour have contrived to still make themselves the headline just shows what a gang of contemptible, maladroid dullards everyone in that party is. For f**k sake, what a bunch of morons In a wider sense, Labour need to have a good luck at themselves. What's being called the left wing argument about immigration (more accurate title, facts) has not been sufficiently made in England for decades. The dishonest and outright nasty rhetoric of UKIP and the tabloids has become mainstream with the "left" either too afraid or politically inarticulate to respond. This coup is replacing the incapable with the unwilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanmistermustard Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Corbyn currently on top of a lorry addressing supporters. Total fucking mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He was elected to lead, he hasn't done it, the people elected to represent the people have decided he is harming working people. Quite rightly. If he had an ounce of decency he would resign, but he cares more about the people who elected him leader than he does about the party, about the country, or about the people our party are supposed to help. He's been in the post less than a year. Those that opposed him from beginning have been desperate for an excuse to assassinate him and are now using Brexit as their weapon of choice. So let's examine the Brexit result from a Labour perspective. 63% of Labour voters voted to Remain. That's only 1% less than SNP voters and 7% less than among supporters of the Lib Dems... always seen as by far the most Europhile of the UK-wide parties. Pretty much all the parties voted as you'd expect. A slight majority of Tory voters voted out, a decent majority of Lab/Lib and SNP voters voted in. The reason that the UK voted out if because of UKIP. They polled in high numbers during the last election, particularly in the Labour North and industrialised Midlands. They got bugger all seats because of First Past the Post. In a referendum it's a different story, all their votes mattered. We now have the ludicrous situation where a Labour leader is being forced out, not because he failed to persuade Labour voters, but, and this is the really mental thing, because he failed to persuade UKIP voters that they should vote for staying in the EU! One of the common refrains from Leavers, especially in Labour areas, is that the political elite "didn't listen". The Labour Party are now becoming a microcosm of the whole issue. We have a leader who was elected by hundreds of thousands of people all over the country. Many of whom had never shown much interest in politics before. They're being ignored by a Parliamentary Labour Party, locked away behind closed doors, seeking to undermine the democratic will of the wider party for their own ends. There's no point in pretending Corbyn has been perfect, he hasn't. But forcing him out in less than twelve months is the sort of short-sighted power grab that has people disinterested in Labour because they think "the major parties are all the same". With Jeremy in charge, they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow-sheep Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Laura Kunsberg has just tweeted that some Labour MPs awe floating the idea of Peter Mandelson as next leader. Oh my... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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