'Lefties'

[paranoid android]

That's utter shite.

If you are Blairite you are a Social Democrat centrist.

But then that's probably leftist posturing on you part.

 

That's the official academic line, sure - The Third Way, Giddens, and all that.

 

Blair was more driven by a desire for personal advancement than by any ideology, and, to be fair to the creepy b*****d, he pulled it off - in capitalist terms, he saw a gap in the market, and exploited it, removing clauses from the party's manifesto that were left-leaning, and replacing them with clauses that actually advocate capitalism.

 

In my opinion, he joined a party that didn't reflect his ideals, and managed to win enough support to change it irrevocably.

 

I'm not posturing, btw - it's just how I see it.  If you think it's utter shite, I'm ok with that.

[mjw]

I'm a cock

[paranoid android]

It isnt, however Blair wasnt what you describe above.

 

This is also correct.

[jagfox]

Ban the bomb x

[Shades75]

I resent the suggestion that I make even occasional attempts to mask my contempt for all of humanity.

There was another guy here who used the same, "contempt for humanity" line in a thread once.

It was Supras.

[pandarilla]

I consider myself to be left wing and don't understand why people from the left are pro EU. They cite workers rights and reform it from within but if you look deeper it's turning into a superstate and countries are giving up their sovereignty and being ruled by it.

 

There's a lot of people who don't like those aspects of the EU (or even passionately hate them) but have realised that this referendum next week is not about whether we support the EU.  

[Granny Danger]

That's utter shite.

If you are Blairite you are a Social Democrat centrist.

But then that's probably leftist posturing on you part.

Blair wasn't a Social Democratic centralist.

[Shades75]

I'm left wing in that I support wealth redistribution, collectivism and equality of opportunity- I am anti free market and anti neo liberalism and believe class identity to the Be the the Most significant influence upon life chances.

However I think the term "lefty" refers to a certain breed of middle class, university educated, left wing- liberal authoritarians rebelling against their parental upbringing with an utter intolerance of of anyone who they deem to not vehemently adhere to their standards of righteous thought.

So while I am left wing I am in no way what i would term a "lefty".

None of that really matters, or carries any weight coming from someone with "Chlamydia" in their nickname.

What kind of weirdo chooses that?

[sureiknow]

I certainly lean to the left.

Always been a Union member and a supporter of workers.

Far left and far right seem to mirror each other in ways.

Both want to silence any opposition.

That's facist.

The left can be as facist as the right.

[Bully Wee Villa]

Yeah, I hate faces.

[Peppino Impastato]

Why would I be a member of a left-wing party (I'm also a member of Progress another left-Wing group) if I wasn't left-wing?

Labour aren't remotely left and haven't been for over twenty years. You're so deluded it'scomical , you have no idea what the phrase even means. Five seconds on Google would confirm labour aren't even classed as anywhere near left wing, progress too.

There is no right of the left, you're centrist or moderate. In 20 years you'll be a tory.

[Mr Bairn]

Communism --- Far Left --- Left Wing --- Centre Left --- Centrist --- Centre Right --- Right Wing --- Far Right --- Fascism

[Peppino Impastato]

Communism --- Far Left --- Left Wing --- Centre Left --- Centrist --- Centre Right --- Right Wing --- Far Right --- Fascism

not true fascism is neither left nor right exhibiting tenets fromthe extreme of both ends of the political spectrum . People have been arguing for decades if Hitlerwas left or right, he was rreally both and neither.

[Fotbawmad]

Communism --- Far Left --- Left Wing --- Centre Left --- Centrist --- Centre Right --- Right Wing --- Far Right --- Fascism

Facism and Communism are not polar opposites. The real definition of "far right" is neo-liberal, which is the belief that everything should be privatized. However, even in those societies where the government owns nothing, it can still effectively control everything.

[Erskjne Bridge]

I think you're a c**t.

I'm politically on the left, a position I've held from in first took an interest in politics in my mid teens. I've probably modified my thoughts on a number of issues but I believe left politics is grounded in the idea of social justice and the belief that there are those more than happy to use their wealth and position of power to exploit others.

I abhor the idea of politics driven by entitlement and personal greed regardless of the impact on others.

Coming from an anti semetic homophobe twat like you, then it's no wonder the left are fucked!

[Yank Mike]

Left wingers are people who's main political objective is using state power in the service of equality, whether their favored equality is based on class, race/ethnicity, or all individuals. Right wingers are people who believe in an unequal society, whether they want to use state power to achieve this inequality (fascists, national socialists, as well as some racists, class based conservatives, and nationalists) or whether they believe that their favored inequality is just a state of nature that should be allowed to exist (libertarians, old school liberals, as well as some racists, class based conservatives, and nationalists).

 

I consider myself a libertarian and a nationalist. I believe that inequality is a good thing for society as a whole and the product of any fair society. I do believe that government policy should be used to round off the rough edges of inequality, and I think that the US over the past 2 or 3 decades has gone over the amount of inequality that is a good thing or just the natural product of fair societal rules.

[Granny Danger]

Coming from an anti semetic homophobe twat like you, then it's no wonder the left are fucked!

Not anti-Semitic but anti-Zionist. Maybe you don't understand the difference.

Homophobe? I'd like you to point to a single post of mine on here that is even slightly homophobic.

Twat? Since that's a purely subjective judgement I won't take issue with it.

[pandarilla]

Unite against facism

[pandarilla]

Left wingers are people who's main political objective is using state power in the service of equality, whether their favored equality is based on class, race/ethnicity, or all individuals. Right wingers are people who believe in an unequal society, whether they want to use state power to achieve this inequality (fascists, national socialists, as well as some racists, class based conservatives, and nationalists) or whether they believe that their favored inequality is just a state of nature that should be allowed to exist (libertarians, old school liberals, as well as some racists, class based conservatives, and nationalists).

I consider myself a libertarian and a nationalist. I believe that inequality is a good thing for society as a whole and the product of any fair society. I do believe that government policy should be used to round off the rough edges of inequality, and I think that the US over the past 2 or 3 decades has gone over the amount of inequality that is a good thing or just the natural product of fair societal rules.

I'd describe being left wing is the idea that those at the bottom of society (be it due to health reasons, unemployment, age) should be sorted accordingly - creating a society that cares for people.

Your post reads very well but the biggest flaw in western capitalism is that those at the top are not there because of hard work, or some outstanding ability. The system is rigged, and has been for hundreds of years. Those on the left want to make things fairer - and yes that means MORE equal (rather than just wanting equality for the sake of it).

[Scary Bear]

I've seen an increasing number of posters try and make out that all those of a 'left' leaning are somehow the same and use this as insult. Admittedly this is mainly from deeply cretinous posters, but I do wonder what the rest of the P&B believe.

So...are you a 'leftie'? I consider each issue on it's merits, as I imagine the majority on here do. The majority of my views would be considered 'left', and indeed some would be considered 'far left' (e.g. my views on immigration).

So it seems I am apparently a 'leftie'. In a bit of a hypocritical twist, given what I wrote in the first paragraph, I consider 'right wing' to be an insult, and indeed think the vast majority of right wing people are bitter, twisted, small minded, insular, selfish, scared little arseholes, many of whom are horrible bigots and racists (although not all I must add).

I don't recall many posters - other than the dear departed Reynard - using leftie, lefty or leftard as an insult. Name and shame.

I tend to think of the likes of Ad Lib as 'sensible' but his views on bombing random countries, getting burglars out your home and immigration, to name but three issues, are very different from my views. I take it I am not a neo-liberal.

Frankly, pigeon-holing yourself to an ideology seems daft. I'll just take a view on issues I care about and not worry about how to describe myself politically.