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6 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:

According to the access list on Bert's site, Celtic will need to play 4 qualifying ties next season as opposed to the 3 for this season.

Potential for more Red Imps type shenanigans. Pleasing.

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23 countries out of Europe before the group stages
Poland
Liechtenstein
Slovakia
Iceland
Hungary
Finland
Ireland
Bosnia
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania
Montenegro
Georgia
Armenia
Malta
Luxembourg
Northern Ireland
Wales
Faroe Islands

Gibraltar
Andorra
San Marino
Kosovo

 

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Read a tweet earlier saying that Celtic winning yesterday saw Motherwell climb 12 places in the coefficient table, which was the biggest movement of any club.

Edited by Ross.

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51 minutes ago, Ross. said:

Read a tweet earlier saying that Celtic winning yesterday saw Motherwell climb 12 places in the coefficient table, which was the biggest movement of any club.

You mean this one? It might be correct just now, but for 2018 the club coefficient calculation changes. It will be the sum of the club points in the last 5 years, with a minimum 20% of the country ranking. Which means only Celtic and Aberdeen will have a coefficient bigger then the country minimum - see https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2018.html But with every Celtic win/draw it pushes the minimum upwards, which will help with the seeding in the Europa League qualifiers.

 

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On 24/08/2017 at 22:49, Ginaro said:

Update after all the qualifiers - Poland drop to 20th with Legia going out, Romania down to just one team like others below them.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html

17   Denmark (2xCL spots in 18-19)           24.200 EL
18   Cyprus           20.300 CL+EL
19   Israel           20.250  2xEL
20   Poland           20.125  
21   Romania / FCSB           18.650 EL
22   Azerbaijan / Qarabag           18.625 CL
23   Scotland / Celtic           17.625 CL
24   Belarus / BATE Borisov           17.625 EL
25   Sweden / Östersund           17.475 EL
26   Bulgaria / Ludogorets           17.375 EL
27   Norway / Rosenborg           16.425 EL
28   Kazakhstan / Astana           16.125 EL

Update after the group stages - treading water whilst the others around us have all picked up points, especially Serbia and Kazakhstan who finished on ~15.3 last season. Really needed Celtic to get something at home to Anderlecht. All the remaining teams are unseeded, so Celtic need a favourable draw to have a chance of getting some more points.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html

17   Denmark / Copenhagen           25.950 EL
18   Israel           21.750  
19   Cyprus           21.550  
20   Poland           20.125  
21   Romania / FCSB           20.050 EL
22   Sweden / Östersund           19.475 EL
23   Azerbaijan           19.125  
24   Bulgaria / Ludogorets           19.125 EL
25   Belarus           18.625  
26   Serbia / Red Star & Partizan           18.250 EL
27   Scotland / Celtic           18.125 EL
28   Kazakhstan / Astana           17.875 EL

If we end up 25th or below then come 2019/20 all three EL teams will need to start in the first qualifying round (rather than the cup winner in the 2nd round).

Edited by Ginaro

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Maybe worth summarising alterations to European competitions next season.


Champions League
England, Germany, Spain and Italy now get 4 groupstage slots each. Slots for qualifiers drop from 10 (5x champions path / 5x league path) to 6 (4x champions / 2x league).

Scotland's champion enters in QR1 instead of QR2 but it's the same dates. We'd have to reach 17th to rise into QR2; but drop to 52nd to fall into Preliminary; i.e. not happening. Clubs eliminated in all rounds now fall into dedicated pathway in EL.


Europa League
Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway.

We retain 2 clubs in QR1, and 1 in QR2, but all start a fortnight later. We'd have to reach 17th to lift cup winner into QR3 and league runner-up into QR2; but drop to 25th for cup winner to fall into QR1.


Non-use of titleholder/etc. slots would lower "thresholds".

Edited by HibeeJibee

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For clarity - you've talked of us rising to 17th/falling to 25th etc; where are we just now? 23rd?

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Am I right in saying the Czechs have lost an automatic Champs League slot, as a result of the new format?

Also, we're currently 27th. We were 23rd at the end of last season, when rankings apply for next season's competitions.

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Can't wait until all this shit is a closed shop in about 5 years time, with the teams from the same leagues playing the exact same opponents every year until the end of time.

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On 09/01/2018 at 17:45, badgerthewitness said:

Am I right in saying the Czechs have lost an automatic Champs League slot, as a result of the new format?

Also, we're currently 27th. We were 23rd at the end of last season, when rankings apply for next season's competitions.

Yes - the Czechs moved up to 11th, just as 11th and 12th lost their automatic group stage slot! https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/AccessList2018.html

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