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[Enigma]

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[Yoda8]

5 hours ago, EdTheDuck said:

I'm always pretty surprised at this suggestion, that there is a fund of young talent that is not being used by clubs. Given the dearth of talent in our league(s) why on Earth would managers leave them rotting in the stiffs?

Because they're inexperienced and managers aren't being given time to allow kids to get used to playing in first team.

probably a lot to do with fans who get on managers backs constantly and who want ball played/lumped forward. Then go home and slaughter them on here and even that's after slaughtering them on twitter. 

[jagfox]

Not directly co-efficient related but going by Traki progressing and Progres getting papped out you have to say Rangers have been the poorest performers of our European participants 

[MEADOWXI]

2 hours ago, jagfox99 said:

Not directly co-efficient related but going by Traki progressing and Progres getting papped out you have to say Rangers have been the poorest performers of our European participants 

That was confirmed about 75mins into the 2nd leg in Luxembourg,

Nothing could surpass that shambles.

[EdTheDuck]

On 21/07/2017 at 00:20, Yoda8 said:

Because they're inexperienced and managers aren't being given time to allow kids to get used to playing in first team.

probably a lot to do with fans who get on managers backs constantly and who want ball played/lumped forward. Then go home and slaughter them on here and even that's after slaughtering them on twitter. 

I disagree. I think youth gets a pretty fair shake at most of the clubs. The exOF maybe do it via loans but, still...have a look at the current U21 squad and game numbers for example.

[BFTD]

1 hour ago, EdTheDuck said:

I disagree. I think youth gets a pretty fair shake at most of the clubs.

I believe @bennett has some strong views on this matter  

[EdTheDuck]

8 hours ago, BigFatTabbyDave said:

I believe @bennett has some strong views on this matter  

Oh

am I gonna cop an earful?

[Yoda8]

On 23/07/2017 at 22:41, EdTheDuck said:

I disagree. I think youth gets a pretty fair shake at most of the clubs. The exOF maybe do it via loans but, still...have a look at the current U21 squad and game numbers for example.

Being in an U21 squad and having 5 or 10 games isn't good enough. These boys should have 30 or 40 games under their belts.

[craigkillie]

Most of the domestic players in the Scotland U21 squad have well over 30 first team games under their belt.

[EdTheDuck]

9 hours ago, Yoda8 said:

Being in an U21 squad and having 5 or 10 games isn't good enough. These boys should have 30 or 40 games under their belts.

What Craigkillie said

[lionel hutz]

Right after the first leg of QR3 the UEFA Rankings are looking like this

Rank Country--- 2017-18 --- Total ---- Clubs Remaining

15. Greece --- 0.900 ---- 24,400 ----5/5 (2 CL Places)

18. Poland --- 2.250 ---- 19.500 ---- 3/4 (1 CL Place in CL R2, Cup Winners Start in EL R2) - highest we could be at the end of the season, realistically
19. Israel ---- 3.000 ---- 19.125 ---- 3/4
20. Romania --- 0.800 --- 18.350 --- 5/5
21. Cyprus --- 3.250 --- 17.800 --- 4/4
22. Azerbaijan --2.375 --- 17.125 --- 2/4
23. Sweden --- 2.375 --- 16.975 --- 2/4
24. Belarus --- 1.500 --- 16.875 --- 2/4

25. Bulgaria --- 1.625 --- 16.750 --- 2/4 (1 CL Place in CL R2, All Clubs start in EL R1)
26. Scotland --- 1.500 --- 16.125 --- 2/4

So how are our neighbours' representatives getting on:

Poland - 4 Clubs: (bold is Champions League)

Spoiler

Legia Warsaw - Started QR2 - W2 L1 - Lost 3-1 to Astana in Kazakhstan in First Leg QR3 
Lech Poznan - Started QR1 - W3 D1 L1  - Drew 0-0 away to Utrecht in First Leg of QR3  
Jagiellonia Białystok Started QR1 - W2 D1 L1 - Eliminated by Gabala of Azerbaijan 3-1 on Agg in QR 2
Arka Gdynia - Started QR 3 - W1 - Won 3-2 at Home to Midtjylland in First Leg of QR3

Israel - 4 clubs:

Spoiler

Hapeol Beer Sheva - Started QR2 - W3 - Won 2-0 at Home to Ludogrets of Bulgaria in First Leg
Beitar (c***s) Jerusalem - Started QR1 - W2 D1 L1 - Eliminated by Botov of Bulgaria 5-1 on Agg
Maccabi Tel-Aviv - Started QR1 - W5 - Won 1-0 at Home to Panninos of Greece in First leg 
Bnei Yehuda - Started QR2 - W1 D1 L1 - Lost 2-0 at Home to Zenit in First Leg 

Romania - 5 Clubs:

Spoiler

Vitorul Constania - Started QR3 - W1 - Won 1-0 at Home to APOEL (CYP) in First Leg
Steaua Bucharest - Started QR3 - D1 - Drew 2-2 at Home to Viktoria Plzen (CZE) in First Leg
Dinamo Bucharest - Started QR3 - D1 - Drew 1-1 at Home to Athletic Bilbao in First Leg
CS U Craivoa - Started QR3 - L1 - Lost 1-0 at Home to AC Milan in First Leg
Astra Girigiu -  Started QR2 - W1 - D2 - Drew 0-0 at Home to Oleksandriya (UKR) in First Leg

Cyprus - 4 clubs:

Spoiler

APOEL Nicosia - Started QR2 - W2 L1 - Lost 1-0 Away to Vitorul (ROM) In First Leg
AEL Limossal - Started QR1 - W4 D1 - Drew 0-0 Away to Austria Vienna
AEK Larnaka - Started QR1 - W4 D1 - Won 2-0 at home to Dinamo Minsk 
Apollon Limossal - Started QR2 W2 L1 - Lost 2-1 at Pittodrie 

Azerbaijan - 4 clubs:

Spoiler

Qarabag - Started QR2 - W2 D1 - Drew 0-0 to Sheriff (MDA) in First Leg
Gabala - Started QR2
Zira - Started QR1 - W2 D1 L1 -Eliminated by Astra (ROM) 3-1 on Agg
Inter Baku - Started QR1 W3 L1 Eliminated by Fola Esch (LUX) 4-2 on Agg

Sweden - 4 Clubs:

Spoiler

Malmo FF - Started QR2 - D1 L1 - Eliminated by Zardar (MDE) 4-2 on Agg
Ostersund - Started QR2 - W2 D1 -  Won 1-0 at Home to Fola Esch (LUX)
AIK - Started QR1 - W2 D3 - Drew 1-1 at home to Braga 
IFK Norrkoping - Started QR1 - W3 L1 - Eliminated by Trakai 3-3 on Agg, then 5-3 on Pens

Belarus - 4 clubs:

Spoiler

BATE Borisov - Started in QR2 - W1 D1 L1 - Lost 1-0 Away to Slavia Prague
Dinamo Brest - Started in QR2 - D1 L1 - Eliminated by Rhiendorf Altach (AUT) 4-1 on Agg
Dinamo Minsk - Started in QR1 - W3 D1 L1 - Lost 2-0 Away to AEK Larnaka
Shakhtyor Soligorsk - Started in QR1 - D1 L1 - Eliminated by Suduva (Lithuania) 2-1 on Agg

Bulgaria - 4 clubs:

Spoiler

Ludogrets - Started in QR2 - W1 L2 - Lost 2-0 Away to Hapoel Beer Sheva
Levski Sofia - Started in QR1 - W1 D1 L2 - Eliminated by Hadjuk Spliit 
Botev Plovtiv - Started in QR1 - W3 D2 - Drew 0-0 at home to Maritimo (POR)
Dunav Ruse - Started in QR1 - L2 - Eliminated by Irtysh Pavlodar (KAZ)

Scotland 4 clubs:
 

Spoiler

Celtic - Started in QR2 - W2 D1 - Drew 0-0 at home to Rosenborg
Aberdeen - Started in QR2 - W2 D1 - Won 2-1 at Home to Apollon Limossol
St Johnstone - Started in QR1 - L2 - Eliminated by FK Trakai (LTU) 3-1 on Agg
(The) Rangers - Started in QR1 - W1 D1 - Eliminated by Progres Niederkorn (Lux) 2-1 on Agg

 

[EdTheDuck]

We could be heading for our worst coefficient season’s total since 2011/12

Who represented us in 2011/12? What was it happened *twice* in 2011/12?

[lionel hutz]

2 hours ago, EdTheDuck said:

We could be heading for our worst coefficient season’s total since 2011/12

 

Who represented us in 2011/12? What was it happened *twice* in 2011/12?

 

Rangers in the CL - Lost to Malmo in QR3
Rangers in the EL - Lost 3-2 to Maribor in Play-off
United in EL - Lost in QR2 to Slask Wrowclaw on Away Goals
Hearts in EL - Beat Paks of Hungary, before losing 5-0 to Spurs in Play-off Round
Celtic in EL - Lost to Sion - before getting a reprieve 6-0 Aggregate win in Play-off Round for an ineligible player, then finished 3rd in Group with Atletico Madrid, Udinese and Rennes.


 

Edited July 28, 2017 by Marr1

[EdTheDuck]

Just now, Marr1 said:

Rangers in the CL - Lost to Malmo in QR3
Rangers in the EL - Lost 3-2 to Maribor in Play-off
United in EL - Lost in QR2 to Slask Wrowclaw on Away Goals
Hearts in EL - Beat Paks of Hungary, before losing 5-0 to Spurs in Play-off Round
Celtic in EL - Lost to Sion - before getting a 6-0 Aggregate win in Play-off Round, then finished 3rd in Group with Atletico Madrid, Udinese and Rennes.


 

Sorry, yes I was being facet..., facit..., a smart Alec by having at diggette a TCFKAR

 

Edited July 28, 2017 by EdTheDuck

[FairWeatherFan]

I just clocked the new 10 year rankings Bert Kassies site. Also saw some discussion on it on their boards, but nothing stood out as a break down to how exactly it works. Does anyone round here have an idea what's going on for next year?

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank10-2018.html

[Ginaro]

It's something to do with distribution of finances, as mentioned in the forum and bottom of that page - only UEFA knows for sure.

With Aberdeen out it's all on Celtic to try and match last year's 17.5 country points (4.375 average). Only on 7 just now, but replicating last year's results with a win/draw against Astana and three CL group stage draws would put us on 15.5 (3.875). Wouldn't be too bad given Rangers/St Johnstone's early exits, plus Celtic could maybe get a win or two for more points and make it into the EL.

[wastecoatwilly]

19 countries out of Europe so far,the Celtic games against astana are massive for the co-efficient could jump up 3 or 4 places 

[realmadrid]

On ‎12‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 18:47, wastecoatwilly said:

19 countries out of Europe so far,the Celtic games against astana are massive for the co-efficient could jump up 3 or 4 places 

Even after the loss yesterday afternoon the bonus points for making the Champions league proper have caused a big jump in the table as it stands and we are now 7th in the this seasons points table

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/ccoef2018.html

It could have been so much better and its hard to get many or any points from now on but its certainly not the doom and gloom of late June/early July.

 

[Mordecai]

I don't see us finishing higher than 22nd this season, which wouldn't be bad. Our cup winner would be guaranteed entry into the 2nd round of EL qualifying.

Also, if Celtic manage a draw in the group stage then we've mitigated the points we'll lose from the 13/14 season.

[Bully Wee Villa]

Would it be better if Celtic scraped second place in the group then got pumped home and away in the knockout round, or if they finished third then had a good run, say to the Quarters, in the Europa League?