Ross. Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Read a tweet earlier saying that Celtic winning yesterday saw Motherwell climb 12 places in the coefficient table, which was the biggest movement of any club. Edited September 28, 2017 by Ross. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 51 minutes ago, Ross. said: Read a tweet earlier saying that Celtic winning yesterday saw Motherwell climb 12 places in the coefficient table, which was the biggest movement of any club. You mean this one? It might be correct just now, but for 2018 the club coefficient calculation changes. It will be the sum of the club points in the last 5 years, with a minimum 20% of the country ranking. Which means only Celtic and Aberdeen will have a coefficient bigger then the country minimum - see https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2018.html But with every Celtic win/draw it pushes the minimum upwards, which will help with the seeding in the Europa League qualifiers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) On 24/08/2017 at 22:49, Ginaro said: Update after all the qualifiers - Poland drop to 20th with Legia going out, Romania down to just one team like others below them. https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html 17 Denmark (2xCL spots in 18-19) 24.200 EL 18 Cyprus 20.300 CL+EL 19 Israel 20.250 2xEL 20 Poland 20.125 21 Romania / FCSB 18.650 EL 22 Azerbaijan / Qarabag 18.625 CL 23 Scotland / Celtic 17.625 CL 24 Belarus / BATE Borisov 17.625 EL 25 Sweden / Östersund 17.475 EL 26 Bulgaria / Ludogorets 17.375 EL 27 Norway / Rosenborg 16.425 EL 28 Kazakhstan / Astana 16.125 EL Update after the group stages - treading water whilst the others around us have all picked up points, especially Serbia and Kazakhstan who finished on ~15.3 last season. Really needed Celtic to get something at home to Anderlecht. All the remaining teams are unseeded, so Celtic need a favourable draw to have a chance of getting some more points. https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html 17 Denmark / Copenhagen 25.950 EL 18 Israel 21.750 19 Cyprus 21.550 20 Poland 20.125 21 Romania / FCSB 20.050 EL 22 Sweden / Östersund 19.475 EL 23 Azerbaijan 19.125 24 Bulgaria / Ludogorets 19.125 EL 25 Belarus 18.625 26 Serbia / Red Star & Partizan 18.250 EL 27 Scotland / Celtic 18.125 EL 28 Kazakhstan / Astana 17.875 EL If we end up 25th or below then come 2019/20 all three EL teams will need to start in the first qualifying round (rather than the cup winner in the 2nd round). Edited December 7, 2017 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Maybe worth summarising alterations to European competitions next season.Champions League England, Germany, Spain and Italy now get 4 groupstage slots each. Slots for qualifiers drop from 10 (5x champions path / 5x league path) to 6 (4x champions / 2x league). Scotland's champion enters in QR1 instead of QR2 but it's the same dates. We'd have to reach 17th to rise into QR2; but drop to 52nd to fall into Preliminary; i.e. not happening. Clubs eliminated in all rounds now fall into dedicated pathway in EL.Europa League Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway. We retain 2 clubs in QR1, and 1 in QR2, but all start a fortnight later. We'd have to reach 17th to lift cup winner into QR3 and league runner-up into QR2; but drop to 25th for cup winner to fall into QR1. Non-use of titleholder/etc. slots would lower "thresholds". Edited January 9, 2018 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 For clarity - you've talked of us rising to 17th/falling to 25th etc; where are we just now? 23rd? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 23rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Am I right in saying the Czechs have lost an automatic Champs League slot, as a result of the new format? Also, we're currently 27th. We were 23rd at the end of last season, when rankings apply for next season's competitions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Can't wait until all this shit is a closed shop in about 5 years time, with the teams from the same leagues playing the exact same opponents every year until the end of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 09/01/2018 at 17:45, badgerthewitness said: Am I right in saying the Czechs have lost an automatic Champs League slot, as a result of the new format? Also, we're currently 27th. We were 23rd at the end of last season, when rankings apply for next season's competitions. Yes - the Czechs moved up to 11th, just as 11th and 12th lost their automatic group stage slot! https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/AccessList2018.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just give the 5 moneybag leagues ALL the Champions League group places and the rest of us can play in a couple of straight forward KO tournaments. We could call them the European Cup and the Uefa Cup or something 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Moved up one position to 26th with Celtic's win, though Serbia also improved and are just ahead of us thanks to their two draws. If Celtic can progress and pick up a win or a couple of draws in the process we could move up to 23rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Ah well. Four qualifiers for everyone from season 19/20 and four for the teams qualifying from the league next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just realised Celtic's first match next season is on the same night as a World Cup semi-final. That's messed up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 23/02/2018 at 11:07, 10menwent2mow said: Ah well. Four qualifiers for everyone from season 19/20 and four for the teams qualifying from the league next season. Premier Sports will be happy. More games in which to charge gullible Celtic fans for away qualifiers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden God Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Players like Boyata, Lustig and Rogic could be playing World Cup Knockout games only a week before Celtic's first game in the CL, which no matter how much people hate Celtic, is an absolute joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Maybe worth summarising alterations to European competitions next season.Champions League England, Germany, Spain and Italy now get 4 groupstage slots each. Slots for qualifiers drop from 10 (5x champions path / 5x league path) to 6 (4x champions / 2x league). Scotland's champion enters in QR1 instead of QR2 but it's the same dates. We'd have to reach 17th to rise into QR2; but drop to 52nd to fall into Preliminary; i.e. not happening. Clubs eliminated in all rounds now fall into dedicated pathway in EL.Europa League Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway. We retain 2 clubs in QR1, and 1 in QR2, but all start a fortnight later. We'd have to reach 17th to lift cup winner into QR3 and league runner-up into QR2; but drop to 25th for cup winner to fall into QR1. Non-use of titleholder/etc. slots would lower "thresholds". I see this was adopted by UEFA.Another nail in the coffin of my interest in top level football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duszek Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 13 hours ago, The Golden God said: Players like Lustig could be playing World Cup Knockout games 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) was wandering through this thread during a bit of boredom today, Anyway... The way eufa changed the goalposts after some top level dummy spitting was quite a sickener of coarse , as is the way they generaly work their coefficients in general . but lets imagine for a wee sec that we're not in Scotland. When celtic supporters say i'd like to just see the champions like it used to be , I don't believe them. very few people have any interest in watching the champions of finland play the champions of Serbia when they could be watching roma vs athletico madrid. going back to the old format would produce a situation where quite a lot of teams would end up with a place more out of geography than ability. a bit like in the world cup where nations from north America or asia qualify for the finals yet you wouldn't fancy any of them to get through if they were in EUFA or south America. People on P&B have whinged about crap teams making crap games during the last world cup well it would be the same if the champions league if you returned to national champs only. These teams although winners at home will often just be the best of a bad bunch ( a bit like celtic) this is even more so now than when the European cup followed the old format as there are a lot more smaller independent nations in the east with only limited professional football. ( before anyone gets in I know they can beat our teams easily that's not the point I'm getting at ) unfortunately as much as we hate it sometimes its here to stay Edited March 14, 2018 by effeffsee_the2nd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 European football is a heap of horseshit after the qualifying rounds. Of zero interest and limited competitive value. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 09/01/2018 at 14:31, HibeeJibee said: Europa League Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway. So all the smaller nations just accepted this? Hard enough to get into the ELGS these days anyway, without making it another 40% less likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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