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51 minutes ago, Ross. said:

Read a tweet earlier saying that Celtic winning yesterday saw Motherwell climb 12 places in the coefficient table, which was the biggest movement of any club.

You mean this one? It might be correct just now, but for 2018 the club coefficient calculation changes. It will be the sum of the club points in the last 5 years, with a minimum 20% of the country ranking. Which means only Celtic and Aberdeen will have a coefficient bigger then the country minimum - see https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2018.html But with every Celtic win/draw it pushes the minimum upwards, which will help with the seeding in the Europa League qualifiers.

 

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On 24/08/2017 at 22:49, Ginaro said:

Update after all the qualifiers - Poland drop to 20th with Legia going out, Romania down to just one team like others below them.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html

17   Denmark (2xCL spots in 18-19)           24.200 EL
18   Cyprus           20.300 CL+EL
19   Israel           20.250  2xEL
20   Poland           20.125  
21   Romania / FCSB           18.650 EL
22   Azerbaijan / Qarabag           18.625 CL
23   Scotland / Celtic           17.625 CL
24   Belarus / BATE Borisov           17.625 EL
25   Sweden / Östersund           17.475 EL
26   Bulgaria / Ludogorets           17.375 EL
27   Norway / Rosenborg           16.425 EL
28   Kazakhstan / Astana           16.125 EL

Update after the group stages - treading water whilst the others around us have all picked up points, especially Serbia and Kazakhstan who finished on ~15.3 last season. Really needed Celtic to get something at home to Anderlecht. All the remaining teams are unseeded, so Celtic need a favourable draw to have a chance of getting some more points.

https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2018.html

17   Denmark / Copenhagen           25.950 EL
18   Israel           21.750  
19   Cyprus           21.550  
20   Poland           20.125  
21   Romania / FCSB           20.050 EL
22   Sweden / Östersund           19.475 EL
23   Azerbaijan           19.125  
24   Bulgaria / Ludogorets           19.125 EL
25   Belarus           18.625  
26   Serbia / Red Star & Partizan           18.250 EL
27   Scotland / Celtic           18.125 EL
28   Kazakhstan / Astana           17.875 EL

If we end up 25th or below then come 2019/20 all three EL teams will need to start in the first qualifying round (rather than the cup winner in the 2nd round).

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Maybe worth summarising alterations to European competitions next season.


Champions League
England, Germany, Spain and Italy now get 4 groupstage slots each. Slots for qualifiers drop from 10 (5x champions path / 5x league path) to 6 (4x champions / 2x league).

Scotland's champion enters in QR1 instead of QR2 but it's the same dates. We'd have to reach 17th to rise into QR2; but drop to 52nd to fall into Preliminary; i.e. not happening. Clubs eliminated in all rounds now fall into dedicated pathway in EL.


Europa League
Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway.

We retain 2 clubs in QR1, and 1 in QR2, but all start a fortnight later. We'd have to reach 17th to lift cup winner into QR3 and league runner-up into QR2; but drop to 25th for cup winner to fall into QR1.


Non-use of titleholder/etc. slots would lower "thresholds".

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On 09/01/2018 at 17:45, badgerthewitness said:

Am I right in saying the Czechs have lost an automatic Champs League slot, as a result of the new format?

Also, we're currently 27th. We were 23rd at the end of last season, when rankings apply for next season's competitions.

Yes - the Czechs moved up to 11th, just as 11th and 12th lost their automatic group stage slot! https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/AccessList2018.html

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Maybe worth summarising alterations to European competitions next season.


Champions League
England, Germany, Spain and Italy now get 4 groupstage slots each. Slots for qualifiers drop from 10 (5x champions path / 5x league path) to 6 (4x champions / 2x league).

Scotland's champion enters in QR1 instead of QR2 but it's the same dates. We'd have to reach 17th to rise into QR2; but drop to 52nd to fall into Preliminary; i.e. not happening. Clubs eliminated in all rounds now fall into dedicated pathway in EL.


Europa League
Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway.

We retain 2 clubs in QR1, and 1 in QR2, but all start a fortnight later. We'd have to reach 17th to lift cup winner into QR3 and league runner-up into QR2; but drop to 25th for cup winner to fall into QR1.


Non-use of titleholder/etc. slots would lower "thresholds".
I see this was adopted by UEFA.

Another nail in the coffin of my interest in top level football.
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was wandering through this thread during a bit of boredom today, Anyway... The way eufa changed the goalposts after some top level dummy spitting was quite a sickener of coarse , as is the way they generaly work their coefficients in general . but lets imagine for a wee sec that we're not in Scotland.  When celtic supporters say i'd like to just see the champions like it used to be , I don't believe them. very few people have any interest in watching the champions of finland play the champions of Serbia when they could be watching roma vs athletico madrid.  going back to the old format would produce a situation where quite a lot of teams would end up with a place more out of geography than ability. a bit like in the world cup where nations from north America or asia qualify for the finals yet you wouldn't fancy any of them to get through if they were in EUFA or south America.   People on P&B have whinged about crap teams making crap games during the last world cup well it would be the same if the champions league if you returned to national champs only. These teams although winners at home will often just be the best of a bad bunch ( a bit like celtic) this is even more so now than when the European cup followed the old format as there are a lot more smaller independent nations in the east with  only limited professional football.  ( before anyone gets in I know they can beat our teams easily that's not the point I'm getting at )   unfortunately as much as we hate it sometimes its here to stay

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On ‎09‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 14:31, HibeeJibee said:

Europa League
Groupstage slots for qualifiers fall from 22 to 13. In comparison there will be 17 automatic from the big nations + 18 clubs from CL losers pathway.
 

 

So all the smaller nations just accepted this?   Hard enough to get into the ELGS these days anyway, without making it another 40% less likely.

 

 

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