Coefficientwatch

[paddymcp]

With the coefficient tumbling down every year would it be better for Scotlands coefficient if Celtic fell into the EL and collected wins and points and further progress in the competition as opposed to qualifying for the CL and winning next to no points or do you gain extra points just for the fact of qualifying?  Obviously I'd prefer Celtic in the CL just basically wondering really 

[SilverWolfe]

With the coefficient tumbling down every year would it be better for Scotlands coefficient if Celtic fell into the EL and collected wins and points and further progress in the competition as opposed to qualifying for the CL and winning next to no points or do you gain extra points just for the fact of qualifying?  Obviously I'd prefer Celtic in the CL just basically wondering really 

 

You automatically get 4 points for qualifying which is a point on the coefficient for Scotland. Equivalent of 2 EL victories. Id much rather we win our qualifying games and qualify and see if we can pick up anything.

 

[SilverWolfe]

 
You automatically get 4 points for qualifying which is a point on the coefficient for Scotland. Equivalent of 2 EL victories. Id much rather we win our qualifying games and qualify and see if we can pick up anything.
 

Just want to also add that the coefficient isn't really tumbling down every year. 2016/17 was the most points Scotland have achieved since Rangers made the UEFA Cup Final in 07/08. Our position in the rankings has been fairly static over the past few years as well.

[EdTheDuck]

Suppose we fell in the rankings to 30th

or 40th?

So what? It wouldn't change anything - our teams would still have to start in QR1 or 2 and we'd still have 4 teams in Europe every year. We'd still have a couple of teams fans getting a couple of foreign jollies and the OF giving us a laugh at their teeth gnashing and wailing.

From next year the rigging of European competition reaches whole new levels of treating smaller nations like some kind of vermin to be chased away by clattering dustbin lids at them. There are only 2 teams that believe their entire raison d'être is to be in the with the big clubs. f**k them and f**k UEFA.

 

[SilverWolfe]

Suppose we fell in the rankings to 30th
or 40th?
So what? It wouldn't change anything - our teams would still have to start in QR1 or 2 and we'd still have 4 teams in Europe every year. We'd still have a couple of teams fans getting a couple of foreign jollies and the OF giving us a laugh at their teeth gnashing and wailing.
From next year the rigging of European competition reaches whole new levels of treating smaller nations like some kind of vermin to be chased away by clattering dustbin lids at them. There are only 2 teams that believe their entire raison d'être is to be in the with the big clubs. f**k them and f**k UEFA.
 

Ooft, someone missed their morning chugg!

[GordonS]

On 7/7/2017 at 07:14, Mastermind said:

What are we doing so wrong that teams in mighty Lithuania and Luxembourg are getting right

While they're learning at 13 years old how to trap and pass a ball, take a pass under pressure and carry the ball at speed, we're playing 11-a-sides on full-size pitches in upwards of 50 competitive matches a year, with mums and dads berating their kids from the touchline if they don't boot it long.

Hence our teenagers look pretty good against other countries because we've played hundreds of full-scale matches and know our positions inside out, while they've only played a handful of full-size matches and lack tactical discipline. They soon learn to keep their shape though, but you don't improve technique after your teenage years.

So our age grade teams regularly qualify for tournaments and do well in them while our men's side couldn't qualify for a European Championship finals that admitted nearly half of the countries in Europe.

A few years ago I watched Scotland U21s beat Azerbaijan, and every single Azeri player had better touch than every Scotland player. We won because we held a nice back line and pressed as a unit, all of that stuff. But their clubs are now capable of turfing ours out of Europe before the end of July.

It's a shite state of affairs and I see very little sign that it'll improve any time soon. We're in the football dark ages.

[RussellAnderson]

I seen a stat somewhere on Twitter that says we have around half the youth footballers of other similar Euro nations. Kids just aren't interested in playing. I know I wasn't! I had other things on at the weekend, music and acting etc, and had to quit football at 10.

I think what GordonS is saying has an impact on youth football participation. They ask too much of kids.

[paddymcp]

Most of the professional footballers finish their jobs at about 12pm every weekday of the year in Scotland. That'll have something to do with our decline/under achievement. Lazy players lazy coaches lazy mentalitys. 

Edited July 15, 2017 by paddymcp

[tarapoa]

On ‎15‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 21:46, paddymcp said:

Most of the professional footballers finish their jobs at about 12pm every weekday of the year in Scotland. That'll have something to do with our decline/under achievement. Lazy players lazy coaches lazy mentalitys. 

The thing is they were saying this 10 years ago, 20 years ago - and comparing it with continental clubs where players come back and work on their technique in the afternoon etc

Is it some kind of uncontrollable phenomenon that players have to get the afternoon off every day?  

[SilverWolfe]

The thing is they were saying this 10 years ago, 20 years ago - and comparing it with continental clubs where players come back and work on their technique in the afternoon etc
Is it some kind of uncontrollable phenomenon that players have to get the afternoon off every day?  

Did John Collins not attempt this at Hibs and end up getting laughed out the country never to be seen again?

Good chance I'm the only person that thinks he would be a cracking manager for the likes of Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen or Dundee United.

Scottish football people (including many of the fans) put too much emphasis on history and not enough on changing for the future.

[RussellAnderson]

John Collins may have had some good ideas, but he's also an egotistical maniac who struts around topless boasting about his six-pack, and claiming the reason that Celtic were shit in Europe was because other teams weren't challenging them domestically. This at a time where they regularly lost in both the league and cups. He's a c**t basically.

[paddymcp]

He probably has a few personality defects but him wanting standards set to a certain level was a factor in the backclash which sums up the problem we have. Work shy fuckers

[Monkey Tennis]

On 2017-7-14 at 14:19, EdTheDuck said:

Suppose we fell in the rankings to 30th

or 40th?

So what? It wouldn't change anything - our teams would still have to start in QR1 or 2 and we'd still have 4 teams in Europe every year. We'd still have a couple of teams fans getting a couple of foreign jollies and the OF giving us a laugh at their teeth gnashing and wailing.

From next year the rigging of European competition reaches whole new levels of treating smaller nations like some kind of vermin to be chased away by clattering dustbin lids at them. There are only 2 teams that believe their entire raison d'être is to be in the with the big clubs. f**k them and f**k UEFA.

 

Superb post.

I couldn't care less about our coefficient.  European club football is demonstrably a party to which we're not invited.  We should have the pride to stop pressing our noses against the window like this.

 

[Yoda8]

On 15/07/2017 at 11:04, GordonS said:

While they're learning at 13 years old how to trap and pass a ball, take a pass under pressure and carry the ball at speed, we're playing 11-a-sides on full-size pitches in upwards of 50 competitive matches a year, with mums and dads berating their kids from the touchline if they don't boot it long.

Hence our teenagers look pretty good against other countries because we've played hundreds of full-scale matches and know our positions inside out, while they've only played a handful of full-size matches and lack tactical discipline. They soon learn to keep their shape though, but you don't improve technique after your teenage years.

So our age grade teams regularly qualify for tournaments and do well in them while our men's side couldn't qualify for a European Championship finals that admitted nearly half of the countries in Europe.

A few years ago I watched Scotland U21s beat Azerbaijan, and every single Azeri player had better touch than every Scotland player. We won because we held a nice back line and pressed as a unit, all of that stuff. But their clubs are now capable of turfing ours out of Europe before the end of July.

It's a shite state of affairs and I see very little sign that it'll improve any time soon. We're in the football dark ages.

One of the best posts ever on p&b 

one thing though, how does this square when the likes of Rangers go out with team full of foreigners who learn all above??

Agree with most , but blame a lot down to senior managers acting like above parents and not giving the good youngsters we do produce game time at top level. Good ball players need to play at top level as they often get kicked out lower leagues.

kids need to be given a chance, can't do any worse than crap Rangers fielded 

[Nightmare]

16 hours ago, Yoda8 said:

one thing though, how does this square when the likes of Rangers go out with team full of foreigners who learn all above??

Because the foreigners they've signed are a bunch of fucking haddies.

[EdTheDuck]

17 hours ago, Yoda8 said:

Agree with most , but blame a lot down to senior managers acting like above parents and not giving the good youngsters we do produce game time at top level. Good ball players need to play at top level as they often get kicked out lower leagues.

kids need to be given a chance, can't do any worse than crap Rangers fielded 

I'm always pretty surprised at this suggestion, that there is a fund of young talent that is not being used by clubs. Given the dearth of talent in our league(s) why on Earth would managers leave them rotting in the stiffs?

[Enigma]

I think Collins was the wrong man with the right idea.

[realmadrid]

Six years ago Östersunds FK were in the 4th level of Swedish football and after winning the cup this year they have knocked out Galatasaray in their first ever European tie.
Will "Kebab and delight" be discussing a summer season in Turkey tonight.
The qualifying rounds are proper cup ties, sometimes the seeded teams do go out and it's been a good week for Scotland so not all doom and gloom of 2 weeks ago.

[hellbhoy]

17 minutes ago, realmadrid said:

Six years ago Östersunds FK were in the 4th level of Swedish football and after winning the cup this year they have knocked out Galatasaray in their first ever European tie.
Will "Kebab and delight" be discussing a summer season in Turkey tonight.
The qualifying rounds are proper cup ties, sometimes the seeded teams do go out and it's been a good week for Scotland so not all doom and gloom of 2 weeks ago.
 

The Rangers fans like this post ^^^^

[Ranaldo Bairn]

I notice FK Trakai beat Norrskopping too. Sweden must move to a winter season, imo.