Double Winning St Johnstone FC Thread

[akuram]

Our lack of investment in a goal scorer will relegate us.

We just cannot score.

We will be lucky to finish last.

[Radford]

2 hours ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said:

Hit a new low today. 

No attempt to do anything different today  despite recent defeats. Trying the same thing but expecting a different result - madness. 

He went with a similar shape as last week when we dominated at Tynecastle. He changed things (wrongly IMO, but still a change) after 25 mins.

Anderson wanted a FK midweek but was ushered away. Yes, his effort was shit, but it's hardly like we have a specialist. No bad thing that he's prepared to take responsibility in that situation.

Saints brought in the best goalscorer in Ireland and a Welsh international during the break. Money was spent but such is our luck at the moment that neither is available.

[john1962]

Levein out managed Wright today. He saw what Saints did last week and adjusted. Saints just presumed what worked last week would work this week.

 

The last three games I’ve been to, Dundee, Partick and today I’ve wondered exactly what Saints do all week. They have looked clueless. For example, they seem to have no idea what to do at either attacking or defensive set pieces. If the players have a game plan or even a set up pre kick off they are forgetting it as soon as the game starts.

 

 

 

[RandomGuy.]

1 hour ago, mizfit said:

Meanwhile Steve Browns more interested in pocketing the pennies.


If ever there was a time for us to spend this surplus cash it was January.

Maybe he tried? January is a notoriously shite time. The suggestion seems to be that hes now allowed to chase a few "key" targets every window, and this time around he spent January chasing MOH and Swanson. I wouldn't be stunned to learn we tried to get Ciftci on loan aswell, tbh.

[Radford]

I don't agree but get that some folk may want Wright out. What I can't get my head around is the startling lack of respect being shown to our most successful ever manager in the way it is being put across. Tommy Wright should never be told to "get to f**k" for example. And that's before starting on those belittling his achievements.

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, Radford said:

I don't agree but get that some folk may want Wright out. What I can't get my head around is the startling lack of respect being shown to our most successful ever manager in the way it is being put across. Tommy Wright should never be told to "get to f**k" for example. And that's before starting on those belittling his achievements.

You're better not reading WAP or the Banter Page, tbh, I'm convinced I've not seen half the folk post for years until they've sprouted up this afternoon.

[The Real Saints]

A shame to see Chris Millar liking tweets such as this one.

Edited February 10, 2018 by The Real Saints

[Davis Love III]

1 hour ago, Radford said:

I don't agree but get that some folk may want Wright out. What I can't get my head around is the startling lack of respect being shown to our most successful ever manager in the way it is being put across. Tommy Wright should never be told to "get to f**k" for example. And that's before starting on those belittling his achievements.

That's what I find particularly galling. And I was disheartened (and fairly disgusted) by some of the shouts from those in the crowd today, and reading comments made later online.

Yes, it's been a disappointing season, and performances - especially at home - have generally been poor. The stats and trends make for grim reading as we move into the final months of the campaign. We can pick apart decisions made by the manager, the approach of the chairman, or players failing to take responsibility and show leadership on the pitch. All of those points are valid and have likely combined to leave us in the position we are now. And it's extremely concerning.

But there seems to be an air of entitlement within some people. Belittling the successes of recent years due to a perceived slight on the style of play, or the apparent weakness of larger clubs during that time. Here's the thing. Dundee, Partick Thistle, Kilmarnock, St. Mirren, Falkirk etc haven't finished 6th-4th-4th-4th in consecutive seasons, enjoyed European nights, and won the Scottish Cup. Those are equivalent clubs with St. Johnstone, and their supporters haven't seen a sustained period of success like that for generations. We have. And I find it astonishing that individuals wish to discredit what has been achieved previously, just because it hasn't worked out this year. Tommy Wright deserves better. He's earned that right. 

Frankly, with a core home support of 2,500 home fans turning up regularly for the league matches, what can people really expect when it comes to player recruitment and attempting to compete with the likes of Hearts and Hibs, or even Motherwell and Kilmarnock. The people of Perth didn't adequately support the club during the good times, but they've sharpened their knives as soon as it turned sour. Frustration and disappointment has crossed into vitriol. And I find that harder to swallow than the struggles we've had in recent months.

Edited February 10, 2018 by Davis Love III

[PauloPerth]

3 hours ago, Radford said:

I don't agree but get that some folk may want Wright out. What I can't get my head around is the startling lack of respect being shown to our most successful ever manager in the way it is being put across. Tommy Wright should never be told to "get to f**k" for example. And that's before starting on those belittling his achievements.

 

2 hours ago, Davis Love III said:

That's what I find particularly galling. And I was disheartened (and fairly disgusted) by some of the shouts from those in the crowd today, and reading comments made later online.

Yes, it's been a disappointing season, and performances - especially at home - have generally been poor. The stats and trends make for grim reading as we move into the final months of the campaign. We can pick apart decisions made by the manager, the approach of the chairman, or players failing to take responsibility and show leadership on the pitch. All of those points are valid and have likely combined to leave us in the position we are now. And it's extremely concerning.

But there seems to be an air of entitlement within some people. Belittling the successes of recent years due to a perceived slight on the style of play, or the apparent weakness of larger clubs during that time. Here's the thing. Dundee, Partick Thistle, Kilmarnock, St. Mirren, Falkirk etc haven't finished 6th-4th-4th-4th in consecutive seasons, enjoyed European nights, and won the Scottish Cup. Those are equivalent clubs with St. Johnstone, and their supporters haven't seen a sustained period of success like that for generations. We have. And I find it astonishing that individuals wish to discredit what has been achieved previously, just because it hasn't worked out this year. Tommy Wright deserves better. He's earned that right. 

Frankly, with a core home support of 2,500 home fans turning up regularly for the league matches, what can people really expect when it comes to player recruitment and attempting to compete with the likes of Hearts and Hibs, or even Motherwell and Kilmarnock. The people of Perth didn't adequately support the club during the good times, but they've sharpened their knives as soon as it turned sour. Frustration and disappointment has crossed into vitriol. And I find that harder to swallow than the struggles we've had in recent months.

Agree completely with both of you.

And yes this season has made for grim viewing for the most part.

When I read and hear the kind of stuff you're talking about, and I've felt it for sometime over comments about Maclean and Anderson as well, I realise supporters can never ever question a player's loyalty if they're offered a move elsewhere, because this shows how quick supporters are to turn against them when things aren't going well.  Neither has had a good season, but the way it's put across, as is being done about the manager currently, just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

You're talking about the most successful side in our history. Legends. A couple of generations from now kids will be saying to their grandfather "so when these heroes came to the end of their Saints career, did they get a huge thank you and a great send off?"

"No son, we called them all a bunch of useless has beens and told them to get tae f**k" 

[7-2]

52 minutes ago, PauloPerth said:

A couple of generations from now kids will be saying to their grandfather...

...was there really a football club called St Johnstone that played at the McDiarmid indoor grouse shooting centre before they became defunct in 2020? 

From what I've been reading, 2020 might be stretching it a bit though.

Edited February 11, 2018 by 7-2

[Mr Positive, sometimes.]

Yes people are going overboard with criticism and abuse hurled at players. Personally I don't want Wright sacked etc either. 

What I dont agree with though is "but they're legends" arguement then makes them exempt from criticism. 

Players can't continue to be selected while continuously under performing regardless of past success. 

People are not getting angry with the manager and players simply because of defeats, its the manner of the defeats. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Mr Positive, sometimes.

[tree house tam]

10 hours ago, john1962 said:

Levein out managed Wright today. He saw what Saints did last week and adjusted. Saints just presumed what worked last week would work this week.

I said this would happen before kick off, seen it coming a mile off.  Although we are being punished for every mistake Tommy is fucking up just as much as the players. Anderson and Shaughnessy are visibly shiteing it when the ball gets played to them, excruciating to watch.

[Mr Heliums]

Going overboard is the nature of things. Six weeks ago the same people calling for Wright's head were probably the most fearful of him leaving for the NI job. And those shouting abuse at MacLean and Anderson are from the same subset of fans who thought them beyond criticism a few months back. It happens everywhere, to every team. 

But though those people might be loud, they're not the vast majority of our support, who I think believe that while Tommy has made mistakes, he deserves our patience when it isn't going well, and that he has the right to try to see us out of it. And most of our fans neither think Anderson or Macca are not desperate excuses for footballers nor worldbeaters, but simply the limited players we have for the rest of the season. And the only way to get the best out of them is to give them our backing when they play.

[RandomGuy.]

Scougall out for the season apparently 

[Jamie_B]

Scougall out for the season apparently 

We’ve really not done well on the injury front this year. Quite often been key players out for long periods, or two in the same position leaving us in situations such as playing Comrie at LB and bringing Watson back from the exit door at RB in the same game. As well as being utterly miserable in our own performances we’ve not had much rub of the green and have pretty regularly been punished for the smallest of mistakes (be it costing goals or red cards) and not seeing that going the other way.

The remaining pre split home games against County and Accies (no date yet but I’d assume that’ll be played on Scottish Cup QF weekend?) are absolutely critical. Four points is the absolute minimum but really we could do with all six. Does anyone really fancy us to win them both? Not convinced.

[Shaggy Jenkins]

Been posted elsewhere as well but an interesting read if you have on seen it 

https://www.thepotentmix.co.uk/single-post/2018/02/11/One-for-the-Saints-fans

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, Jamie_Beatson said:

 

We’ve really not done well on the injury front this year. Quite often been key players out for long periods, or two in the same position leaving us in situations such as playing Comrie at LB and bringing Watson back from the exit door at RB in the same game. As well as being utterly miserable in our own performances we’ve not had much rub of the green and have pretty regularly been punished for the smallest of mistakes (be it costing goals or red cards) and not seeing that going the other way.

The remaining pre split home games against County and Accies (no date yet but I’d assume that’ll be played on Scottish Cup QF weekend?) are absolutely critical. Four points is the absolute minimum but really we could do with all six. Does anyone really fancy us to win them both? Not convinced.

 

Injuries have been tough. Eastons an obvious one, as even though he'd been poor beforehand, you can't help but look at Tanser over the past few games and think he's not a top flight defender. 

I can see us winning games, but we need players to step up and not just start moaning. Chris Millar has every right to be frustrated about his lack of minutes, but he's far too public about how he's going about showing it, I'm not overly convinced he's behind the manager and that can't be a good thing in the background, I might be totally wrong with that though. 

[Jamie_B]

Injuries have been tough. Eastons an obvious one, as even though he'd been poor beforehand, you can't help but look at Tanser over the past few games and think he's not a top flight defender. 
I can see us winning games, but we need players to step up and not just start moaning. Chris Millar has every right to be frustrated about his lack of minutes, but he's far too public about how he's going about showing it, I'm not overly convinced he's behind the manager and that can't be a good thing in the background, I might be totally wrong with that though. 

This is what happens to teams going down. Rumours emerge about dressing room unrest. That translates into the performance on the park (we seem to be downing tools awfully easily these days). Injury crises never seem to abate (have we had a full squad to select from at any point this season?). The luck seems to go against you constantly (Killie’s opener that came from Liam’s fresh air swipe, losing to Hearts in the league having battered them). An air of fragility surrounds the team (look at United under Mixu-you knew you could get at them by pressing up the park-everyone knows we’re liable to concede early just now). All of those are in evidence just now and losing Scougall - who while he hasn’t shone is still one of our better ball players - is just going to compound it.

On form, and with our best starting XI playing to their potential, there’s no way we’re the worst team in the league. Right now that’s how we’re playing.

[Fife Saint]

I see Millar wishing good luck to a physio who is leaving. Another thinly veiled dig?

[Stelling]

3 minutes ago, Fife Saint said:

I see Millar wishing good luck to a physio who is leaving. Another thinly veiled dig?

Probably become mates, that's all. God knows they'll have spent enough time together...