The Partick Thistle thread

[third lanark]

12 minutes ago, Sting777 said:

Pretty sure Archie said at Christmas that he was going to London to see another specialist as he was still getting pain from his leg, but he had been told they can't find anything wrong. Love Banzo but sadly it's time to cut both him and Fraser loose. Between them the have have hardly kicked a ball  in around 5 seasons worth of football. (2 seasons for Banzo and 3 for Fraser) Hope I am wrong but I fear Banzo will never recapture his form of  previous seasons when he was fully fit.

I would add in Dumbaya to the Bannigan and Fraser being cut loose as well - he had a brilliant first 3 months when he signed for us - in the following 2 and a half years he has been almost permanently injured and while he is back playing again presently I think his best days are far far behind him now sadly

[Sting777]

3 minutes ago, third lanark said:

I would add in Dumbaya to the Bannigan and Fraser being cut loose as well - he had a brilliant first 3 months when he signed for us - in the following 2 and a half years he has been almost permanently injured and while he is back playing again presently I think his best days are far far behind him now sadly

Agreed, it's a long way ahead but I can see our right backs being Christie and McGinn next season. 

Edited February 25, 2018 by Sting777

[Dr Koop]

Whilst it was a very sore one to take, I'm not on the verge of throwing myself off the Campsies like some folk.
I don't think we're in a terminal position at the moment; however we'd be as close to damn it if we removed the manager at this stage of the season. 
It's indisputable that Archie has been complacent in his squad management and has overestimated the impact that certain players would have - but let's wait until the end of the season before penning his obituary. We've given ourselves a lot more work than we should but it's not insurmountable.
In the post spilt fixtures, we'll be due to have County and Accies at home; if we can't defeat them at Firhill in what will be absolutely crucial games then we'll get what we deserve.

Um, just to play devil's advocate for a moment. Assuming the boys achieve top flight survival this season, do we really relish another season of car crashes, last-minute losses and April nail biters?

It seems that as a financial/business entity the club has improved in the last five years, but as a sporting entity it's just and ragged arsed and held together with chewing gum as the day it arrived.

[Thistle_do_nicely]

1 hour ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Archie has, in my opinion, earned the right to try and get us out of the mess he’s gotten us into. We’ve managed before, and as terrible as we are, there’s several dreadful teams in the division. There’s a good chance we’ll be relegated, but if we can get our act together, starting on Saturday then we may just be able to get out of this.

Serious questions need to be asked though, and a serious overhaul of the squad is required. Osman seems to have chucked it and is becoming a liability. Spittal, for as much as he can be great if we’re dominating teams, is an absolute passenger and can’t be relied upon when we need to fight for points, which is most of the time. Devine is the worst defender we’ve had since promotion (other than Piccolo, obviously) and needs to be moved on at the end of the season. Keown can, as we know, be a good defender but he’s not been the same this season. Barton likewise, although everyone can see that he shouldn’t be playing in midfield.

Archie has had a nightmare this year. Relying on Bannigan to be the player he was before injury and to remain injury free was exceptionally naive. Playing half the season with 2 guys who can’t really play centre mid in there was inexcusable. Woods has done alright since he came in, but has obvious fitness issues.

We’re still a complete soft touch. What I wouldn’t give for someone like Darian McKinnon or Keith Lasley, just a horrible cynical fucker but who’d undoubtedly improve our team.

If we stay up, we need to have a serious look at ourselves for next season. Or we’ll be in the same mess next year.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

Something I'd add which is giving Archie a bit of credit in the goodwill bank, at least from me, is that when the going *has* been good with us, he hasn't gone and angled for a bigger and better move (you know the type of thing; arranging fluff pieces full of quotes like "might be time for a new challenge" "always been a dream to manage in England" etc.) He's stuck with the club through the bad and good, and the board have given him a lot more leeway than your average football club would.

Doesn't (and shouldn't) make him untouchable in my eyes, but it's something that's making it very hard for me to totally turn against his management and go full on ARCHIE MUST GO mode, even with the shite cup record and not managing to beat Rangers* or Celtic in umpteen attempts. Perhaps I'm in a minority or I'm being a soft touch.

Him and the players haven't got much time left to turn this season around; god help me but I still have a bit of hope left, and I think there's enough there in the squad to be able to scrape enough points together, but we probably need to go back to fucking basics to achieve it tbh ("do more of the stuff we're good at, try not to get too exposed in matches with the stuff we're not so good at")

Edited February 25, 2018 by Thistle_do_nicely

[Armand 2]

5 hours ago, Dr Koop said:

Um, just to play devil's advocate for a moment. Assuming the boys achieve top flight survival this season, do we really relish another season of car crashes, last-minute losses and April nail biters?

It seems that as a financial/business entity the club has improved in the last five years, but as a sporting entity it's just and ragged arsed and held together with chewing gum as the day it arrived.

I haven't said Archie's position shouldn't be under scrutiny; in fact, I'd support a review at the end of the season.

But to describe Archie's reign as "ragged arsed and held together with chewing gum" is probably the most preposterous thing I've heard this weekend, which is saying something when folk have been proposing Jim fucking McIntyre as a replacement.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Armand 2

[Snakebite]

Some Thistle fans on twitter are just as head melting as many of those on WAT,  just at the polar opposite end of the Archie-scale. A number of folk seem to have taken the fans frustration again as a personal attack on Archibald. Theres actually a large core of folk in the middle, whilst concerned as f**k, don't actually want him sacked this instance, however its the usual fingers in ears patter from them  and "name someone better" anger as if any criticism of the team is prohibited coz its Archie. 

 

 

[Hammer Jag]

Thistle Twitter is a mess.

[Snakebite]

By the way, Paul Paton. I would certainly give him a sniff till the end of the season. Hes an average player at this level, but we could do with someone like him, even for just his mere presence in the dressing room.  Too many nice lads and spice boys in the team, could do with a ned like him who will get in folks faces and put in a dirty tackle. I was thinking lately, but have we actually had any real difficult personalities in the dressing rooms? Higgy and Stevenson were shipped out fairly quickly, and I'm not sure I'd even class them as neds, more just huffy. Hamilton's team is packed with thugs and bams.

[Hammer Jag]

I agree. As I said yesterday, we need hard Brexiteers to dig us out of this position. Gary Fraser, Steven Lawless and Paul Paton.

Get snowflakes like Blair Spittal and Ryan Edwards to f**k.

 

[Snakebite]

2 minutes ago, Hammer Jag said:

I agree. As I said yesterday, we need hard Brexiteers to dig us out of this position. Gary Fraser, Steven Lawless and Paul Paton.

Get snowflakes like Blair Spittal and Ryan Edwards to f**k.

 

+1

[Snakebite]

2 minutes ago, Hammer Jag said:

I agree. As I said yesterday, we need hard Brexiteers to dig us out of this position. Gary Fraser, Steven Lawless and Paul Paton.

Get snowflakes like Blair Spittal and Ryan Edwards to f**k.

 

This current Thistle team is the type of c***s who punt herbalife on instagram.

[Ad Lib]

3 minutes ago, Snakebite said:

This current Thistle team is the type of c***s who punt herbalife on instagram.

No, that's Lee Mair.

[oneteaminglasgow]

10 minutes ago, Hammer Jag said:

I agree. As I said yesterday, we need hard Brexiteers to dig us out of this position. Gary Fraser, Steven Lawless and Paul Paton.

Get snowflakes like Blair Spittal and Ryan Edwards to f**k.

 

Everything about Gary Fraser screams Jeremy Kyle.

Get him involved and booting heads.

[Hammer Jag]

1 minute ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Everything about Gary Fraser screams Jeremy Kyle.

Get him involved and booting heads.

I know someone who witnessed his incident during the Under 20’s match with Dunfermline a few seasons ago. He said it was the most sickening display of violence he had ever seen. He said there and then that he didn’t want to see him play for us ever again.

Make him club captain, I say.

 

[Snakebite]

1 minute ago, Hammer Jag said:

I know someone who witnessed his incident during the Under 20’s match with Dunfermline a few seasons ago. He said it was the most sickening display of violence he had ever seen. He said there and then that he didn’t want to see him play for us ever again.

Make him club captain, I say.

 

Not gonna lie, I've got a stauner reading that.

[GrahamJags]

Can’t see this being a popular opinion, but agree with the suggestion to take Paton until the end of the season. Does the job we desperately need at the moment. Think he’d probably be as reluctant as a number of our more bitter fans would be at the prospect of coming back, but it doesn’t seem like there are clubs queuing up for his services.

[cilitbang]

We can call Paton an arsehole in a nice way

In a more serious note though. Welsh, Fraser, Banigan and Woods  - it's fucking ridiculous how much football those 4 CM's missed combined for us over the years. (Didn't include Osman as this year is only long lay off i can remember for him).

Edited February 26, 2018 by cilitbang

[Dr Koop]

I haven't said Archie's position shouldn't be under scrutiny; in fact, I'd support a review at the end of the season.
But to describe Archie's reign as "ragged arsed and held together with chewing gum" is probably the most preposterous thing I've heard this weekend, which is saying something when folk have been proposing Jim fucking McIntyre as a replacement.

You haven't read about the proposal from fans that the club rehire Paul Paton, I guess.

I stand by my contention that affairs on the park are ragged arse and ad hoc. That's why I used the phrase 'devil's advocate'. Perhaps 'not their best' is more diplomatic.

[Cerberus]

No, that's Lee Mair.

Get him back as well.

He’ll still be better than Devine.

[Armand 2]

7 hours ago, Dr Koop said:

You haven't read about the proposal from fans that the club rehire Paul Paton, I guess.

I stand by my contention that affairs on the park are ragged arse and ad hoc. That's why I used the phrase 'devil's advocate'. Perhaps 'not their best' is more diplomatic.

How does a proposal from fans to resign someone render 5 years of work "ragged arse"? Some weapons in our support wanted us to re-sign Conrad Balatoni in the summer - does that also reflect on the manager?

We embarked on a top six finish last year, missed out by a goal the year before, comfortably survived the season before that - all whilst maintaining squad continuity that I've rarely seen from the club. If this period has been "ragged arse" for you, God knows what the last 20 years have been like.