vikingTON Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 It's surely pretty obvious why the fixtures haven't been set. BT Sport are chucking a lot of money at this competition, so they're going to have the right to choose which fixtures they want to show. If you chuck out a bunch of fixtures without that consultation then you might end up with three or four of their preferred games being held on the same matchday (eg 1st seeds v 2nd seeds). You'd then be either forced to move around the entire fixture list, or be stuck with 3 or 4 matchdays with no games on the TV. The SPFL said the fixtures would be out within a week. A week hasn't passed yet. I'm not sure why that would mark them out as not being professional. Well no - they can set up the vast majority of fixtures now and should have had a general schedule for fixtures before the draw was even made, while leaving notice that BT can reschedule the Sevco games and any other ties. The SPFL doesn't delay scheduling the league fixtures until the TV company picks every match they want to televise over the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I wouldn't expect the fixtures to be drawn under this system, but rather to be predetermined - ie A v B, B v C1, C1 v A and so on. Indeed. That would appear to be a simple and fair enough way of doing it. The actual combinations for each group could have been pre-drawn. Wouldn't have been that difficult to set up the process. The delay is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Well no - they can set up the vast majority of fixtures now and should have had a general schedule for fixtures before the draw was even made, while leaving notice that BT can reschedule the Sevco games and any other ties. The SPFL doesn't delay scheduling the league fixtures until the TV company picks every match they want to televise over the season. The SPFL take their time to schedule the league fixtures though - it's not just a case of plugging teams into a formula. They wouldn't generally schedule 3 high profile fixtures on the same weekend. This is more similar to the post-split fixture list, where they agree the fixtures in conjunction with broadcasters. Indeed. That would appear to be a simple and fair enough way of doing it. The actual combinations for each group could have been pre-drawn. Wouldn't have been that difficult to set up the process. The delay is ridiculous. I think they are doing it that way. I'd imagine the delay is more down to them deciding which actual matchdays the games are being played on. For example, they wouldn't want top seed v second seed to be played on the same date in every group, because those games are most likely to be the ones BT want to televise (Rangers aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I wouldn't expect the fixtures to be drawn under this system, but rather to be predetermined - ie A v B, B v C1, C1 v A and so on. Indeed. That would appear to be a simple and fair enough way of doing it. The actual combinations for each group could have been pre-drawn. Wouldn't have been that difficult to set up the process. The delay is ridiculous. There's a pretty standard and straightforward set of pairing tables for round-robin events: http://www.tournamentdirector.co.uk/berger_pairings.html Generally, to complete a draw you'd also draw each team a number (1 to 5 in this case - with 6 being the bye) to determine who plays who home and away. It doesn't stop you moving the fixtures around to determine exactly when they're going to be played, but it does complete the draw in respect of what the fixtures are going to be. I'd not be happy about it if it transpires that bit is not being done randomly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I wouldn't expect the fixtures to be drawn under this system, but rather to be predetermined - ie A v B, B v C1, C1 v A and so on. If that's the case why don't they say so on the website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 There's a pretty standard and straightforward set of pairing tables for round-robin events: http://www.tournamentdirector.co.uk/berger_pairings.html Generally, to complete a draw you'd also draw each team a number (1 to 5 in this case - with 6 being the bye) to determine who plays who home and away. It doesn't stop you moving the fixtures around to determine exactly when they're going to be played, but it does complete the draw in respect of what the fixtures are going to be. I'd not be happy about it if it transpires that bit is not being done randomly. Surely the teams were drawn into these positions implicitly as part of the draw though? The top seeds could be 1, then second seeds 2 and then 3, 4 and 5 would come down to the order in which the sides were drawn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Surely the teams were drawn into these positions implicitly as part of the draw though? The top seeds could be 1, then second seeds 2 and then 3, 4 and 5 would come down to the order in which the sides were drawn out. No, because that would mean the draw wasn't random, at least with respect to the first and second seeds. In every group those two teams would know what their fixture pattern was automatically, and in particular which of the two of them was at home in their game against one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 There can only be 3 ways of deciding who plays who home or away. (It is a separate matter as to what order that ultimate set of fixtures are played in). (1) ... a pre-determined roster, into which teams are placed according to their seeding, or - in the case of the unseeded teams - the order in which they were drawn (2) ... a random draw performed after the groups are known (3) ... a committee of some kind I can't imagine that (3) is how it's being done. You'd have thought they'd have done (2) as part of the TV draw rather than behind closed doors. Equally if it's (1) you'd think they would have published the roster beforehand. So it is rather puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Only in scottish football do we know the teams that are in our group for a cup draw,but then have to wait a week to find out the fixtures,The spfl are useless w***s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Less about this fixtures nonsense, did anyone ever find out if this rumour about Dumbarton being in the North section was true and, if so, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 What a bunch of utterly seething messes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 No, because that would mean the draw wasn't random, at least with respect to the first and second seeds. In every group those two teams would know what their fixture pattern was automatically, and in particular which of the two of them was at home in their game against one another. The draw is already not fully random as a result of it being seeded. Even if the teams do know who they're playing, they don't necessarily know exactly when, which could be the delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 The draw is already not fully random as a result of it being seeded. Even if the teams do know who they're playing, they don't necessarily know exactly when, which could be the delay. Well fair point, I'm not a big fan of seeded draws either, though it's not quite the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam_barnett Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 According to Rovers' Twitter the fixtures are due to be announced shortly on the SPFL site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Only in scottish football do we know the teams that are in our group for a cup draw,but then have to wait a week to find out the fixtures,The spfl are useless w***s. This has got disaster written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthetop Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 According to Rovers' Twitter the fixtures are due to be announced shortly on the SPFL site.This year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Statement at 4pm. Hopefully it's to explain why Dumbarton are in the north group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I've been away from Scotland for a few years now, can someone explain how/when Dumbarton relocated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I've been away from Scotland for a few years now, can someone explain how/when Dumbarton relocated? I can only think we had collective amnesia when it was moved, brick by brick, over to the North of the Clyde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lanarkshire Jag Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Rest of fixture dates. Second round - Tuesday/Wednesday 9/10 August Quarter-finals - Tuesday/Wednesday 20/21 September Semi-finals - Saturday/Sunday 22/23 October Final - Sunday 27 November Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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