Black and White Tragic Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I had a guy offering to clean my gutters for £40. I said I only needed 3 of the 4 done, and offered £20. He accepted. Took him and his mate a over an hour on ladders. Scooped out loads of crap which got deposited in brown bin. Excellent value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I had a guy offering to clean my gutters for £40. I said I only needed 3 of the 4 done, and offered £20. He accepted. Took him and his mate a over an hour on ladders. Scooped out loads of crap which got deposited in brown bin. Excellent value. You're proud of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 You're proud of that? Yeah. There's value for money, then there's exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Couple of dodgy guys did my neighbours gutters and the coving(?) stuff a couple of years back. No idea what they charged but one guy sat in the van the entire time and the other was using only a ladder (two storey house) and a couple of cans of special brew each day. I was genuinely terrified I would open the door and find him smashed up on the patio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Yeah. There's value for money, then there's exploitation.2 guys for a total of just over 2 hours at a cost of £20. You need to get a grip if you think that is exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 2 guys for a total of just over 2 hours at a cost of £20. You need to get a grip if you think that is exploitation.A fiver an hour each?That's exploitation. How can you even argue that? Edit: no, it was just over an hour, so just short of a tenner an hour. That's still pretty shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 2 guys for a total of just over 2 hours at a cost of £20. You need to get a grip if you think that is exploitation.How long would it take them to get there? Overheads - fuel costs, ladder? Theoretically, at least, there should be tax, NI and public liability insurance to pay.Paying £20 for this job just encourages shady characters who undercut proper tradesmen by not paying taxes etc....and taking chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 As I said £80 seemed a decent amount for getting it done, somebody doing it for £20 and I would be thinking 'yer at it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 A fiver an hour each? That's exploitation. How can you even argue that? Edit: no, it was just over an hour, so just short of a tenner an hour. That's still pretty shit. Eh? Your maths is a bit out. It took just over an hour for two people, let's call it 3 hours total. More than minimum wage and no doubt tax free. Sounds like as far from exploitation as you could possible be.Sorry missed the edit. I sure there are plenty of people on here who would like to earn this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Eh? Your maths is a bit out. It took just over an hour for two people, let's call it 3 hours total. More than minimum wage and no doubt tax free. Sounds like as far from exploitation as you could possible be. Sorry missed the edit. I sure there are plenty of people on here who would like to earn this. Less than £7 an hour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreElgin Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Probably the type that's gone mental at these tax avoiding offshore fund types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Eh? Your maths is a bit out. It took just over an hour for two people, let's call it 3 hours total. More than minimum wage and no doubt tax free. Sounds like as far from exploitation as you could possible be. Sorry missed the edit. I sure there are plenty of people on here who would like to earn this. So, assuming they were over 25, that was less than minimum wage. Even under 25 you're still paying them around the minimum wage which, considering you were sending them up ladders and managed to half their rate despite only reducing the workload by a quarter (from 4 gutters to 3), you've still ripped them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Less than £7 an hour? So, assuming they were over 25, that was less than minimum wage. Even under 25 you're still paying them around the minimum wage which, considering you were sending them up ladders and managed to half their rate despite only reducing the workload by a quarter (from 4 gutters to 3), you've still ripped them off. You are both missing out that this was tax free. My son earns £7.50 before tax and £6.50 after tax. So working on this basis, these people would have to get work paying over £8 per hour. Even ignoring the lack of tax, public liability insurance etc. Someone earning 7 p.h. cash in hand cannot by any stretch of the imagination be classed as exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 You are both missing out that this was tax free. My son earns £7.50 before tax and £6.50 after tax. So working on this basis, these people would have to get work paying over £8 per hour. Even ignoring the lack of tax, public liability insurance etc. Someone earning 7 p.h. cash in hand cannot by any stretch of the imagination be classed as exploited. There's a Hearts fan that wouldn't get out of bed for less than £9.00 an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 You've ripped them off and all your whataboutery does nothing to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 You are both missing out that this was tax free. My son earns £7.50 before tax and £6.50 after tax. So working on this basis, these people would have to get work paying over £8 per hour. Even ignoring the lack of tax, public liability insurance etc. Someone earning 7 p.h. cash in hand cannot by any stretch of the imagination be classed as exploited. That's one opinion. The guys doing that work are clearly desperate. That desperation is being exploited. The job is worth far more than the sum paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin_3110 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Who gives a f**k? It's probably a front for slinging drugs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Strichener slavery was abolished in 1833. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Working for £7 an hour is not being exploited? Right you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Were they forced up the ladder at gunpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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