btb Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Giving Corbyn the benefit of the doubt here, I reckon if he'd given the mural more than a cursory glance he'd have seen it's the wrong side of the anti Semitism/Zionism line and not had to backtrack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I see Corbyn is being attacked today by Jewish groups once again promoting the pernicious lie that anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are effectively the same thing. If we are going to fight and expose anti-Semitism in our society this sort of continually repeated pro-Israeli nonsense does not help at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, btb said: Giving Corbyn the benefit of the doubt here, I reckon if he'd given the mural more than a cursory glance he'd have seen it's the wrong side of the anti Semitism/Zionism line and not had to backtrack. See point 3 above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Presumably you meant "attacked today by zionist groups" But it's an easy mistake to make The statements came from the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council. Am I wrong to describe them as “Jewish groups”? No I didn’t think so. 1 hour ago, Jmothecat2 said: It's nothing to do with anti-Zionism, it's to do with Corbyn being in Facebook groups with multiple anti-Semites and giving his support of an anti-Semitic mural. I am talking about the statement from the groups referenced above. If you had taken the time to read it you would not have posted that. Then again if you’re not interested in accuracy you may have posted it anyway. I think anti-Semitism should be opposed. I don’t think continually claiming anti-Zionism is heavily linked to anti-Semitism helps in such opposition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Corbyn Labour The Tories Britain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: See point 3 above. I don't consider the article to be neutral, perhaps Lex could name his source. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Granny is correct tbf. The idea that if you think the Israeli government is bunch of right old ****s means you also long for a second holocaust is fairly insidious these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 The Israeli government aren't exactly hard core jews 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Well indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Paco said: Still fabricated to cover up Brexit, IMO. Maybe or then again the EU making the point that when Britain does things together with the EU it is taken seriously and when it tries to separate itself from the EU it looks like a complete prat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Granny is correct tbf. The idea that if you think the Israeli government is bunch of right old ****s means you also long for a second holocaust is fairly insidious these days. Aye I've just seen this story on the news and I'm not convinced this isn't being exaggerated for political purposes. The guy screeching at Livingstone last year (or whenever) was just an absolute cretin and the mural is more subtle than is being made out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 There is a sad parallel between the Israeli population with regards to Palestine and the population of the USA and gun control. There are probably a majority in both countries that oppose current policy but are thwarted by wealthy, influential and well organised hard-liners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Some of the really conservative Jews in Israeli have sympathy for the Palestinians 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Aye I've just seen this story on the news and I'm not convinced this isn't being exaggerated for political purposes. The guy screeching at Livingstone last year (or whenever) was just an absolute cretin and the mural is more subtle than is being made out. Eh? The artist admitted what he was doing directly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 tbf, this was also relatively subtle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I don't consider the article to be neutral, perhaps Lex could name his source. A Jewish member of the Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lex said: A Jewish member of the Labour Party. Now I definitely don't consider it neutral. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Eh? The artist admitted what he was doing directly. I'm not denying that it is - but I still think it's subtle, and can absolutely see how corbyn could defend the free speech element if he wasn't paying full attention. It's obviously nowhere near the anti Semitic material produced by the nazis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Now I definitely don't consider it neutral. Would it be neutral if a non Jew wrote it?Perhaps we should get white guys to draw up a list for black women of what is and isn’t sexist and racist.For neutrality purposes, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Would it be neutral if a non Jew wrote it? Perhaps we should get white guys to draw up a list for black women of what is and isn’t sexist and racist. For neutrality purposes, of course. It depends on whether David Schneider was a known opponent of corbyn or not. My instinct of the whole thing is that the topic is being used as a stick to beat the left wing element which is now in charge of the party. Do you think Jeremy corbyn is anti Semitic? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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