Zetterlund Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The inspectors have been holed up in Damascus since Saturday, all ready to go with UN clearance. The Russians/Syrians are indicating they just might let them visit the site tomorrow. The Russians have been saying that British Intelligence staged the attack. The pro regime doctor did not claim that anything was staged, he just had another explanation for the genuine symptoms. The Russian claim is that the British coordinated with the 'white helmets' to hijack a conventional attack with claims of toxic gas, which is what the doctor said, and also what another doctor told RT the other day. Not saying any of this is true, just that they seem to corroborate each other. Of course it would help if the Russians actually released their 'irrefutable proof' but it seems the norm these days for all sides to claim this without ever producing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: It's a bit suspicious that they still haven't let the inspectors access the site when they're letting journos wander about the place. Fisk makes it clear that he doesn't know what happened. It's a nothing article that, basically he's saying 'I can confirm I don't know what happened' The opcw will have blood samples and the truth will out ,I predict the Russians will change their narrative from , it never happened to, it was the rebels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jdog said: It's a nothing article that, basically he's saying 'I can confirm I don't know what happened' The opcw will have blood samples and the truth will out ,I predict the Russians will change their narrative from , it never happened to, it was the rebels. If it was a chemical attack I think there's zero chance they'll find any evidence in Douma, bodies and patients will be hidden and the site scrubbed. There may be people who left on the buses to Idlib who are carrying traces, but the Russians will claim they've been deliberately infected. I doubt we'll ever find out for sure what happened unless a Syrian army or rebel defector squeals. Doubt it will make much difference to the people of Douma if they died suffocating in basements and tunnels after years of bombardment with barrel bombs and artillery shells, or by chemical attack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshbairn Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Zetterlund said: I know you're also sceptical of the Douma incident. Did you see this from Robert Fisk in the Independent yesterday? https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html Have to say that what the doctor said was what I thought it looked like when the videos came out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Russia really does have a dislike of those white helmets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Morrissey having a breakdown and going full Brexity BNP. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 It's a bit suspicious that they still haven't let the inspectors access the site when they're letting journos wander about the place. Fisk makes it clear that he doesn't know what happened. It’s as if he’s trying the Saddam Hussein trick of deliberately trying to look like your hiding things from weapons inspectors 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: It’s as if he’s trying the Saddam Hussein trick of deliberately trying to look like your hiding things from weapons inspectors I suspect that Saddam's underlings were too scared to tell him that their remaining WDM's had rotted in the desert, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Cerberus said: Morrissey having a breakdown and going full Brexity BNP. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain There is something wrong where we set standards for how animals raised for eating should be slaughtered then make exceptions for religious nutters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There is something wrong where we set standards for how animals raised for eating should be slaughtered then make exceptions for religious nutters. I don't think there's any evidence that animals suffer more in kosher or Halal abattoirs than others. Having your throat slit with a sharp knife is one of the gentlest ways to go, as Gunther and WTM will testify to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 We don’t really set standards for how we kill animals in this country. They’re killed barbarically regardless of whether there’s a religious motive or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I don't think there's any evidence that animals suffer more in kosher or Halal abattoirs than others. The RSPCA think there is and particularly with Kosher https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: The RSPCA think there is and particularly with Kosher https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter You and the RSPCA are very naive. http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/157602-worst-place-youve-ever-worked/&do=findComment&comment=5615169 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: There is something wrong where we set standards for how animals raised for eating should be slaughtered then make exceptions for religious nutters. But not surprising from people who think child dick mutilation is an act of worship 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Israel saying the West's bombing done jack shit...most were shot down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 37 minutes ago, Jdog said: But not surprising from people who think child dick mutilation is an act of worship Hmmmmmm. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Jdog said: Israel saying the West's bombing done jack shit...most were shot down. Even the biased Syrian Observatory says 65 were shot down and that's from rebel sources. Bit of a minter of an attack all round. Trump went full North Korea and said 100% got through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 There is something wrong where we set standards for how animals raised for eating should be slaughtered then make exceptions for religious nutters. There is a debate to be had about the ethics of Halal and Kosher food. There is no debate to be had about whether everyone involved in the preparation of Halal food are supporters of ISIS.The man is a daft racist arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 But not surprising from people who think child dick mutilation is an act of worship Its insidious. Anything else you don’t like about the Jews? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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