NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Corbyn is a complete fucking incompetent which is very disappointing. Other than on two very major issues, EU membership and Scottish Independence, I agree with him on just about everything. He’s the first socialist that has led the Labour Party in decades. He also put the right wing c***s masquerading as progressives in the PLP firmly in their place which was a joy to watch. However he has severe competency issues that he should have addressed by now. In the USA the Democrats have a lot to answer for with the Trump election, the Labour Party risk the same disdain if they can’t dislodge this austerity obsessed mob led by a wannabe Thatcherite. I’ve a lot of issues with Corbyn I just can’t think of another politician atm who has as good politics and a hope of taking power. I’d far rather Diane Abbott or John McDonnell were leading the party but there’s zero chance of either winning an election, is there? I don’t really buy the incompetency line too much when there’s not too much to go off other than a wildly better election result than literally everyone expected, a public shift in the discourse away somewhat from fascist shit and the SNP feeling sufficiently threatened to bring in progressive taxation changes after a decade of inertia. His European policy is shit but the only way that’s gonna shift is by backing Abbott who’s an unashamed Europhile and has backed or will back another referendum, single market membership and particularly freedom of movement. As for Richard Leonard, if he wants to continue backing abusers in the party then he can rightly get to f**k and take the dinosaurs in the party with him. No time for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, McQuade said: True, and if May gets by Brexit and the Tories replace her with someone half decent they will go on to rule for at least another couple of terms...Corbyn cannot win a GE , his stance on not using nukes should we ever have to (to save ourselves) is a head shot . In the scenario where we would be using nukes, we would not be saving ourselves. We'd just be taking some other folk with us. Although May did actually say that she' be prepared to use them in a first strike situation. Edit: Might not have been May. Might have been the defence secretary. Edited January 12, 2018 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The only good use of nukes is giving them to North Korea to protect them from the Great Satan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 16 hours ago, NotThePars said: How far back are you going when claiming PMQs wasn't like this? Gladstone and Disraeli? Apparently the first form of PMQ was for Gladstone in the 1880s so Disraeli never had to avoid answering any such questions as PM. The modern live TV form is only about 30+years in operation and of course Tony Blair had it switched from a twice a week 15 minute slot to the current Wednesday because allegedly he did not like answering questions. I agree the format has been stale for years but I still watch it over a cup of tea/coffee in my senior days. I noticed a chat on daily Politics today how the parties are using it to place on social media as soundbites etc so maybe it is just for theatre now and no one ever checks if a statement is true like the one I pointed out by the PM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Apparently the first form of PMQ was for Gladstone in the 1880s so Disraeli never had to avoid answering any such questions as PM. The modern live TV form is only about 30+years in operation and of course Tony Blair had it switched from a twice a week 15 minute slot to the current Wednesday because allegedly he did not like answering questions. I agree the format has been stale for years but I still watch it over a cup of tea/coffee in my senior days. I noticed a chat on daily Politics today how the parties are using it to place on social media as soundbites etc so maybe it is just for theatre now and no one ever checks if a statement is true like the one I pointed out by the PM. I watch it myself if I’m off but it’s as much of a pantomime as Question Time is if we’re honest. That Burnistoun sketch where they’re doing increasingly unsubtle gags about each other’s partners and maws is pretty much correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I visited the House of Commons in 1995 and saw Prime Ministers Questions. It was just as shouty and pantomimey as now. I just looked up the Hansard for that date - http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1995/feb/09/engagements Blair's questions are pure Corbynism! Also, the last question is the one that stuck in my memory - a question about the internet and it was interrupted by MPs laughing at such a geeky question. When you consider the impact of the internet in the last 23 years, on our everyday lives, politics and economy, it says something that the legislators completely ignored it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 On 12/01/2018 at 08:55, NotThePars said: “Hasn’t landed a blow” equates to removing someone’s majority? Sturgeon’s SNP directly lost a dozen seats to the most incompetent PM ever. 1. No, it equates to the fact that with an almost unlimited supply of ammunition, he not only lost a general election, but is STILL far less popular than Theresa fucking May. Not only that, his hilarious useless Scottish branch office's campaign actually helped May remain in No10. His stance on Trident is mesmerisingly hopeless and that's before we even get to the clusterfuck that is his Brexit position. As Randy says, he's helping drive the UK off an economic cliff because he's scared he'll lose a few thousand votes from thick, Labour voting racists in shitholes like Sunderland. 2. See (1). He's a fucking shitebag and will never be a PM. Not only that, Labour will be unelectable for at least 2 or 3 GEs if the Tories replace May with someone who isn't a complete idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 The largest oppositional swing since 45, in 8 weeks, in the face of a divided party and 2 years of constant negative press. Socialism is back baby, It’s good again. Ahwoo (wolf howl) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: The largest oppositional swing since 45, in 8 weeks, in the face of a divided party and 2 years of constant negative press. Socialism is back baby, It’s good again. Ahwoo (wolf howl) It's not. Corbyn will shamble along to the next election, be trounced by a marginally competent Tory and it'll be dead again. Labour will then spend another few years scratching about in the shadows. The only positive is that SLAB's totally unearned Corbyn-bounce will vanish and they'll be back to scrambling for relevance with the Lib Dems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, jupe1407 said: It's not. Corbyn will shamble along to the next election, be trounced by a marginally competent Tory and it'll be dead again. Labour will then spend another few years scratching about in the shadows. The only positive is that SLAB's totally unearned Corbyn-bounce will vanish and they'll be back to scrambling for relevance with the Lib Dems. Sadly there isa real chance of this. I would like to see a government in the UK with a left of centre leader and a higher proportion of left of centre MPs in the HoC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Granny Danger said: Sadly there isa real chance of this. I would like to see a government in the UK with a left of centre leader and a higher proportion of left of centre MPs in the HoC. I'd happily put money on it tbh. I was fairly supportive of Corbyn early on, but if people still think May is a better option in No10, he's fucked it. Without a decent opposition, Welfare reform will continue until it is completely dismantled, along with the NHS, all while Corbyn and his colleagues continue previous form and abstain on anything important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 “Hasn’t landed a blow” equates to removing someone’s majority? Sturgeon’s SNP directly lost a dozen seats to the most incompetent PM ever. But sturgeon still won the election; corbyn did not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Sadly there isa real chance of this. I would like to see a government in the UK with a left of centre leader and a higher proportion of left of centre MPs in the HoC. Of course there's a real chance of it. Anyone willing to make concrete predictions on how things will turn out even a year from today are at it or indulging in some wishful thinking. I'm only glad that the SNP leadership are finally trying to respond to Corbynmania with some concrete progressive legislation rather than vacuous speeches at the party conference. The SNP were at their best when they were setting the agenda rather than hopelessly reacting to it as they have been since 2015. I have a dozen problems with Labour that I can list off the top of my head (and another few dozen with Scottish Labour) but they're setting the progressive agenda more than anyone else atm and I think that has to be supported at least short term even if it just causes the independence movement to shake out of its slumber. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Labour are setting the agenda while voting down the same agenda everywhere they can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Neck and neck.A few more instances of Mays incompetence should be enough for Corbyn to stagger into the lead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, mjw said: Neck and neck. A few more instances of Mays incompetence should be enough for Corbyn to stagger into the lead. A week of utter incompetence, including appointing a repugnant disabled hating witch as Minister at the DWP and they go up in the polls. Corbyn should be on the offensive, never off the telly and slaughtering them. But he's the political version of Johnny X, invisible striker, out the viz. He'll never be Prime Minister. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Does Corbyn control the TV schedules, now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Does Corbyn control the TV schedules, now? Is anyone stopping him throwing out a press release or press conference now and again? He's as weak as piss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 I can understand people defending Corbyn’s politics, I cannot understand anyone trying to defend his competence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I'm sure he does. There's no way the MSM are going to show him if they can avoid doing so. I'm sure Prince Harry has opened a supermarket or something far more important. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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