Andy_K_97 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Mad Capsule said: With this chat opened again, I can certainly see Paul Hartley with his beard and continually increasing weight as a top Bear target in the community. 3 hours ago, Mad Capsule said: With this chat opened again, I can certainly see Paul Hartley with his beard and continually increasing weight as a top Bear target in the community. ...so you keep saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 It's not the same, but the closest analogy I can think of is how many Rangers fans threatened to boycott the club when they signed Mo Johnson? How many actually did? I think the 8% is nonsense. Even the most homophobic scum might moan but they'd still support their team, just as racists carried on supporting their teams when black players started to get selected regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 The headline says that the large percentage of supporters "Would welcome" gay players at the club, and then straight away states that 82% of the supporters who took the survey "Would have no issue" with a gay player at the club. I wonder what the actual question was! Also if you are actually that big of an idiot to not support your team as there is a gay player then you probably would be too stupid/unapproachable to complete a poll. The problem is also to do with how opposing sets of supporters would act towards a homosexual player, there is a 100% certainty that an openly gay player would be on the receiving end of homophobic abuse during games up and down the UK. Perhaps not during every game, but theres no way they wouldn't get abuse sent their way from drunks / idiots who can't be completely kept away from matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennboy1978 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I distinctly remember the constant scab chants at Johnny Martin but I honestly can't recall any large scale abuse aimed at Fashanu. There must have been some but I honestly can't remember. Maybe that song drowned the other shouts out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I don't really care what someones sexuality is. Also i don't think we should be pressurising gay players of ANY sport to come out. If they feel comfortable, they'll do so. And journalists writing articles like this aren't going to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 39 minutes ago, mizfit said: I don't really care what someones sexuality is. Also i don't think we should be pressurising gay players of ANY sport to come out. If they feel comfortable, they'll do so. And journalists writing articles like this aren't going to help. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knee jerk reaction Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Heard the poll being discussed on the radio, have to agree with others on here that it's similar to rangers signing a Catholic or teams signing ethnic minorities, some fans said they'd boycott/stay away but once it happened they didn't. I don't think this is really an issue anymore except for the tabloids and even then once 1 player plays for an English premier league side then the issue is gone for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, knee jerk reaction said: Heard the poll being discussed on the radio, have to agree with others on here that it's similar to rangers signing a Catholic or teams signing ethnic minorities, some fans said they'd boycott/stay away but once it happened they didn't. I don't think this is really an issue anymore except for the tabloids and even then once 1 player plays for an English premier league side then the issue is gone for good. As long as he isn't an immigrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 15 hours ago, mizfit said: I don't really care what someones sexuality is. Also i don't think we should be pressurising gay players of ANY sport to come out. If they feel comfortable, they'll do so. And journalists writing articles like this aren't going to help. I agree, no-one expects heterosexual footballers to declare to the world their sexuality, so why should/would gay players? And the more someone coming out gets 'built up' to be a big moment I would imagine it makes it less likely that anyone would. I do think people who write about it generally have good intentions and want to make it a better environment for gay players, but I'm not sure they are really helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 1 minute ago, Diamonds are Forever said: I agree, no-one expects heterosexual footballers to declare to the world their sexuality, so why should/would gay players? And the more someone coming out gets 'built up' to be a big moment I would imagine it makes it less likely that anyone would. Because it's not about "declaring their sexuality" per se. It's about them being able to be seen in public with their partner and nobody batting an eyelid. For as long as being "straight" is seen as the norm, there will always be a concept of "coming out", whether that be implicit (as above) or explicit (via a public declaration). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Very much like the fact i dont care about the sex life of my dentist, postman, mp etc etc I really couldnt care less what sexuality my teams players are. Anyone in this day and age with an issue over anyones sexuality/religion etc needs their head examined. Absolutely this. Have to wonder how much of an influence agents are in the equation. They're more interested in the commercial viability of a player and you'd have to think some have being advised not to come out in case it affects their marketability. Irony is the first high profile player to come out would probably be in high demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeek Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 West Ham go full 1970s http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/police-investigate-vile-homophobic-west-ham-song-about-john-terry-and-diego-costa/94341 although there only seems to be one pic, so could be someone causing trouble. Would believe both scenarios tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, The Master said: Because it's not about "declaring their sexuality" per se. It's about them being able to be seen in public with their partner and nobody batting an eyelid. For as long as being "straight" is seen as the norm, there will always be a concept of "coming out", whether that be implicit (as above) or explicit (via a public declaration). I agree, and until society changes significantly that will be the case. My general point, and worry, is that the media are building the first 'coming out' - in whatever way it may be - as such a big moment that players may be reluctant because they know how much attention it is going to get in the media, on top of any worries about the way some fans might react. Like I said, I think most people who write about it are trying to challenge moronic attitudes and make it easier for players to come out, but at the same time it is continuing to build up the first coming out and I worry this is just making it less likely that someone will feel comfortable enough to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I think I've actually snapped my vertebrae I cringed so hard at that "song". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I think I've actually snapped my vertebrae I cringed so hard at that "song". It's stuck in my head now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 There was a thing in the paper today saying that lower league teams could end up quids in should a player come out as gay. Yes, they may lose 8% of bigotted arseholes from their support but the interest from the gay community nationwide would see a net gain in finances through merchandise etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Why would "the gay community" start buying Bristol Rovers strips just because one of their players comes out as gay? If they're football fans, they'll already have a team, and if they're not then I can't see why they'd be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 How big a c*nt do you have to be to print 100s of those "song" sheets and why were folk taking them off the guy and not telling him to stick it up his arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just came in to sign up for this 5's team.As you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernJambo Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 As abhorrent as the flyers are, the song doesn't even work! How can you sing a song about John Terry being gay (think it's pretty well documented he isn't) and the end line be "we've got Dimitry Payet"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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