Ira Gaines Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Really enjoyed that Serbia vs. Ireland game from earlier. Howler of a dive for the Serbian penalty with the referee right in front of it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Is the play-off seeded? I know it has been previously, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Is the play-off seeded? I know it has been previously, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. It being fifa probably depends if the big teams are already through or if they are worried about loss of ad revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Is the play-off seeded? I know it has been previously, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere. I'd be amazed if it wasn't. With one of France/Netherlands AND one of Italy/Spain being very likely to be involved, they'll want to assure all the big teams make it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Remember that time that it wasn't seeded? The four teams who would have been all were drawn against teams who wouldn't have, and the seeded teams all had their second game at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 10 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Remember that time that it wasn't seeded? The four teams who would have been all were drawn against teams who wouldn't have, and the seeded teams all had their second game at home. Was the seeding not brought in around the France vs Ireland debacle? Seem to remember there being a big furore around that time about them moving the goalposts. Seems strange that it ever wasn't seeded though. Although I wouldn't go by World Ranking. Take the second placed table, 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc etc. Then you're rewarded for having a "better" campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I don't agree with the seeding as the top seeds have already been rewarded by having an easier group in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, forameus said: Was the seeding not brought in around the France vs Ireland debacle? Seem to remember there being a big furore around that time about them moving the goalposts. Seems strange that it ever wasn't seeded though. Although I wouldn't go by World Ranking. Take the second placed table, 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc etc. Then you're rewarded for having a "better" campaign. There was seeding for the tournament before the France v Ireland one, but the media chose to ignore that and come up with the "moving the goalposts" stuff anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I think the "moving the goalposts" chat was because they had said the playoffs wouldn't be seeded before changing their mind once it became clear who the teams involved would be. It was an entirely justifiable complaint to a typically grubby decision from the football authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bully Di Villa said: I think the "moving the goalposts" chat was because they had said the playoffs wouldn't be seeded before changing their mind once it became clear who the teams involved would be. It was an entirely justifiable complaint to a typically grubby decision from the football authorities. As far as I remember, they had never said that it wouldn't be seeded, they just hadn't announced for sure that it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I actualy dont mind seeding when its done properly but to do it in these play offs is completely unfair. Every team in the play offs is there becuase they finished 2nd in groups drawn to be roughly equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 As far as I remember, they had never said that it wouldn't be seeded, they just hadn't announced for sure that it would be. Can't find anything definitive but a couple of contemporary accounts suggest that FIFA had "indicated" that it wouldn't be seeded.Even if they hadn't, it's still ludicrous that they waited until a month before the playoffs before confirming the format. That should've been sorted before the qualifiers even kicked off. So it was either corrupt, or massively incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Looking through the groups barring any major upsets, IF we were to finish second the line-up would be something like:A - France/NetherlandsB - Switzerland/PortugalC - Czech Rep/Northern IrelandD - Austria/RoI/SerbiaE - Denmark/Poland/RomaniaF - Scotland (!)G - Spain/ItalyH - Bosnia/GreeceI - Iceland/Turkey/UkraineSo seeds from that would (broadly) be France/Netherlands, Spain/Italy, Switzerland/Portugal and someone else. So basically we'll almost certainly need a lucky draw to avoid one of the above in the play-offs, and we'd then need to beat a side most likely a little better than us - someone like Poland or Austria. Or, we don't have any slip-ups in Lithuania/Slovenia, get at least four points from Slovakia and England. Those are the routes to qualification.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Paco said: Those are the routes to qualification.... so euro 2020 it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I don't think it's a stick-on that the Dutch or Portuguese will even make the play-offs. Neither are very good, which is a weird thing to say when one of them are the champions of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 If we make it to the playoff at least then that will be considerable progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conley Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Looking through the groups barring any major upsets, IF we were to finish second the line-up would be something like:A - France/NetherlandsB - Switzerland/PortugalC - Czech Rep/Northern IrelandD - Austria/RoI/SerbiaE - Denmark/Poland/RomaniaF - Scotland (!)G - Spain/ItalyH - Bosnia/GreeceI - Iceland/Turkey/UkraineSo seeds from that would (broadly) be France/Netherlands, Spain/Italy, Switzerland/Portugal and someone else. So basically we'll almost certainly need a lucky draw to avoid one of the above in the play-offs, and we'd then need to beat a side most likely a little better than us - someone like Poland or Austria. Or, we don't have any slip-ups in Lithuania/Slovenia, get at least four points from Slovakia and England. Those are the routes to qualification.... I think we are capable of beating 4 of the runners up in your table...all is not lost. Hope we are still talking this way in a years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Looking through the groups barring any major upsets, IF we were to finish second the line-up would be something like:A - France/NetherlandsB - Switzerland/PortugalC - Czech Rep/Northern IrelandD - Austria/RoI/SerbiaE - Denmark/Poland/RomaniaF - Scotland (!)G - Spain/ItalyH - Bosnia/GreeceI - Iceland/Turkey/UkraineSo seeds from that would (broadly) be France/Netherlands, Spain/Italy, Switzerland/Portugal and someone else. So basically we'll almost certainly need a lucky draw to avoid one of the above in the play-offs, and we'd then need to beat a side most likely a little better than us - someone like Poland or Austria. Or, we don't have any slip-ups in Lithuania/Slovenia, get at least four points from Slovakia and England. Those are the routes to qualification.... We never get a lucky draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I think the problem with our group is outwith England lots of points will be dropped between the teams.Meaning a fair chance second place in our group could get nothing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 That's probably true of a fair few groups though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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