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Oh I know. It's a tiny proportion. It shouldn't be used by the government to justify spending cuts because it is so small. However, I certainly see why it annoys people when their neighbour could work but doesn't, while they struggle away. There are surely ways to deal with it however than the huge attack the Tories have done .

It's always been possible to lose your benefits because you didn't bother to follow the rules. I signed on in the eighties and if you missed a couple of appointments you were called in on pain of losing your claim, which was fair enough. If you didn't sign on, you didn't get your money. What they didn't do was invent an appointment, not tell you about it and then cut your benefits because you missed it.

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Personally believe the solution is making work pay more rather than making benefit claimants starve. *Hears huge applause from Twitter in the distance*

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Aye I've been on quite a few safeguarding courses too. I think a lot of people would be shocked as to how much neglect, financial abuse ect, goes on. I know a case I had to attend meetings for and where children were taken from the parent and the level of neglect was astonishing. The mother then started this strange social media campaign targeting social services especially and got loads of people in the town backing her. I don't envy the job social services do one bit.

There was also a section where we learned possible signs of a child being enticed into terrorism. I can't remember all of the points but the main one was "Showing extremist views". No shit.

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*sigh*

Again, the training is not what I'm complaining about ibis the conditions that have been created that means it is now seen as necessary.

Whether or not it should be done in any case is neither here nor there.

But it should always be "seen as necessary".

Even in the most compassionate and safety-net laden country there are going to be families that end up on the breadline and children who suffer as a result and the duty of care teachers have to pupils is so fundamental that *of course* they should be trained to spot early signs and to act.

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But it should always be "seen as necessary".

Even in the most compassionate and safety-net laden country there are going to be families that end up on the breadline and children who suffer as a result and the duty of care teachers have to pupils is so fundamental that *of course* they should be trained to spot early signs and to act.

I agree

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It's particularly interesting to see how quickly people fall into line and start labelling people as deserving poor or undeserving poor.

Apparently some on here think that not wanting to get out of bed to go to the dole office is grounds for them to be starved.

No attempt to understand WHY that person can't get out of bed. Just a blanket judgment of "can't be arsed".

Nobody has made any sort of blanket judgements.

My comment about "can't be arsed" was specifically about people who "can't be arsed", for no reason other than "they can't be arsed".

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Your an arsehole mate. End of story.

I'm an arsehole for not saying that there is justification for leaving a parent without food for their children?

Mmkay.

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Nobody has made any sort of blanket judgements.

My comment about "can't be arsed" was specifically about people who "can't be arsed", for no reason other than "they can't be arsed".

Do you realise, in the grand scheme of things, how very little benefit claimants who "can't be arsed" drain from the system?

I hope you're enraged by orders of magnitude more by Government after Government failing to reign in tax avoidance/ evasion?

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Do you know how much "benefit cheats" cost Britain each year in comparions to tax avoidance/ evasion?

I can't remember the figures but it's microscopic in comparison. Not to say that people abusing the system shouldn't be stopped, but a little perspective is needed.

Going after "benefit cheats" as a way of saving the country money, over and above tackling tax avoidance/ evasion, is ridiculous, and, like many Tory policies, entirely ideological.

I get your point about tax avoidance figures compared to benefit cheats but if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to.

Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak.

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I get your point about tax avoidance figures compared to benefit cheats but if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to.

Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak.

And there you have it in a nutshell.

The media/ Tories concerted efforts to demonise benefit claimants and make the public ignore their policies which actually kill people in full working effect.

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Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak.

Kev "Tory Talking Points" Thedee, there.

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I signed on for eight months and in that time everyone I dealt with at the job centre was human and reasonable, so I'm quite thankful for that.

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I get your point about tax avoidance figures compared to benefit cheats but if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to.

Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak.

Because the government have convinced the public that these people are at fault for the country's ills. Look at all the "poverty porn" shite like Benefits Street on TV. When was the last series or journalistic investigation into tax avoidance by large companies? Or the last special on benefits unclaimed by people that have entitlement?

Both of those are far in excess of money spent on benefit cheats.

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if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to.

Kevthedailymail.

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Blame the people who voted for them in may.

As opposed to those who voted last September to ensure that the wider UK could inflict a Tory government on Scotland in May (and at every General Election in future)?

Surely you didn't think that you were voting for perpetual Labour government last September? You were voting for Scotland to either choose its own governments or receive governments, like the current Tory one, chose by the wider UK.

Enjoy. You wanted this. #BetterTogether

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As opposed to those who voted last September to ensure that the wider UK could inflict a Tory government on Scotland in May (and at every General Election in future)?

Surely you didn't think that you were voting for perpetual Labour government last September? You were voting for Scotland to either choose its own governments or receive governments, like the current Tory one, chose by the wider UK.

Enjoy. You wanted this. #BetterTogether

I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies.

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I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies.

You did indeed. In doing that, you voted for a system in which we have very little say. We could've returned 59 Labour MPs and it wouldn't made a blind bit of difference.

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I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies.

And are you happy with the way Scotland is being governed 13 months on?

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Am sure many working class people will agree with my view.

I'm quite sure they will.

Assuming they are blinkered, ill informed, stupid, gullible, easily swayed and have no free thought.

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