Ad Lib Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 It's mud slinging from Dugdale and Davidson. They ask questions today fully knowing it's questions to the First Minister and not questions to the leader of the SNP. They know by doing so the BBC and other media outlets will report it. And they further hope the "SNP Bad" will stick with some of the electorate. Desperate I know, but desperate times and all that..... The First Minister is the leader of the SNP. Are you telling me that if Kezia Dugdale were the First Minister and Ian Murray were in Michelle Thomson's position the leader of the SNP wouldn't be asking what if anything Kezia and her party knew about one of their MPs soaking the poor and using a lawyer struck off for failing to uphold his fiduciary duties to report information potentially relevant to the prevention of mortgage fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I wouldn't ask Kezia Dugdale's opinion on Kezia Dugdale. She's irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The First Minister is the leader of the SNP. Are you telling me that if Kezia Dugdale were the First Minister and Ian Murray were in Michelle Thomson's position the leader of the SNP wouldn't be asking what if anything Kezia and her party knew about one of their MPs soaking the poor and using a lawyer struck off for failing to uphold his fiduciary duties to report information potentially relevant to the prevention of mortgage fraud? Who knows, that is completely hypothetical. What we do know is that Kez was warned that the matter wasn't relevant yet continued to use FMQs to raise the issue. The same goes for Ruth. Also, the way you have phrased this is actually mis-leading. She didn't use a lawyer struck off, she used a lawyer that has subsequently been struck off. These are two entirely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The First Minister is the leader of the SNP. Are you telling me that if Kezia Dugdale were the First Minister and Ian Murray were in Michelle Thomson's position the leader of the SNP wouldn't be asking what if anything Kezia and her party knew about one of their MPs soaking the poor and using a lawyer struck off for failing to uphold his fiduciary duties to report information potentially relevant to the prevention of mortgage fraud? Of course she wouldn't. Look at Henry McLeish who sublet his office and was just let off with a casual shrug, or David McLetchie, who used Holyrood taxis to travel to his office and everyone just smiled and winked. There's nothing to be seen here. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Also, the way you have phrased this is actually mis-leading. Once a Lib Dem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 As much as I think Thomson is a chancer who really has to walk, there's more than a hint of the 'scoop of the election so far' from the unionists on here. They've taken what's already a pretty sordid situation and made it sound like some kind of slum lord racketeering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 As much as I think Thomson is a chancer who really has to walk, there's more than a hint of the 'scoop of the election so far' from the unionists on here. They've taken what's already a pretty sordid situation and made it sound like some kind of slum lord racketeering. I don't think they've had to try too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Couldn't disagree more. Whilst I'm all for Thomson being investigated, FMQ's are for opposition parties to put questions to the Scottish Government. Michelle Thomson has precisely hee haw to do with Holyrood. Sturgeon lost her right to claim she couldnt be questioned on matters to do with westminster when her pus was all over the Westminster leaders debates.she can't have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 'westminster leaders debates' Is that their official title, Rumpole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Sturgeon lost her right to claim she couldnt be questioned on matyers to do with westminster when her pus was all over the Westminster leaders debates.she can't have it both ways. Not according to the speaker. She didn't need to respond at all. She however chose to answer her. Fact is the woman is out the party and until the police investigations are concluded there's no point going on about it. The opposition parties are always saying how the SNP are always neglecting the important issues and that they should focus on running the country and not thinking about another referendum. The line of questioning today was beyond tragic. Ruth, Keiza, and Rennie are incredibly shit to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Thought it was a pathetic line of questioning if I'm honest. Dugdale used up all her questions by rehashing the same one, a question that had nothing to do with the Scottish government. I can understand them latching onto the alleged scandal but to use FMQ's to press home the point was quite frankly, embarassing. I never thought Dugdale was as bad as some make out but watching her today was an eye opener, as long as she stays 'in charge' scottish labour will continue in reverse. For Ruth Davidson to then continue the same line of questioning was a shambles really. They need to get their act together because a competent opposition is a good thing for Scotland and they have along way to go. Credit to Willie Rennie for asking a question that actually affects what is happening in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 'westminster leaders debates' Is that their official title, Rumpole?As opposed to the holyrood leaders debates that occurred alongside those debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 sparky88, on 01 Oct 2015 - 17:57, said:Sturgeon lost her right to claim she couldnt be questioned on matters to do with westminster when her pus was all over the Westminster leaders debates.she can't have it both ways. Yes, because both instances are exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Yes, because both instances are exactly the same.She was on the Westminster debates as leader of the SNP. She was being questioned, in both instances, in that capacity. That first minister questions should be only used to discuss devolved matters is a valid point of view, but there's plenty of questions about non devolved issues at fmqs, the conduct of an SNP MP is one such issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'm roaring at 'westminster leaders debates'. Someone else on this thread pointed it out already but you britbot subnormals can't even criticize the SNP properly when they've actually done something wrong. You've marinaded yourselves so putridly in 'snpbad' hysteria for so long that you can't distinguish things that are real from things that aren't real. You're like drug or porn addicts, completely unfit for the most basic cognitive tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 She was on the Westminster debates as leader of the SNP. She was being questioned, in both instances, in that capacity. That first minister questions should be only used to discuss devolved matters is a valid point of view, but there's plenty of questions about non devolved issues at fmqs, the alleged conduct of an SNP MP is one such issue. FTFY pal, but you're wrong, a debate on the supposed scandal of a westminster mp has no place at FMQ'S. I'll be mildly amused if it comes out that she has done nothing wrong. However, if she has been ripping folk off then I am quite sure she will be given the heave ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'm roaring at 'westminster leaders debates'.Fucking hell you need to get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Is sparky,kevs alias?or vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Fucking hell you need to get out more. Why? Because your self-inflicted cognitive failings are hilarious? That doesn't actually follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 It's quite easy to fall into the trap of 'everyone on our side is perfect and everyone on their side is scum' but there's a certain degree of truth to it in the independence debate. When Alistair Carmichael lied to his constituents and the public at large, the focus has been almost entirely on... Alistair Carmichael, and resolving it through the courts. Now it looks like an SNP MP is guilty of, if not legal failings, certainly a monstrous moral failing in taking advantage of the financially bereft. How do the britbots react to this? "Ooh, let's completely ignore what she's actually done and see if we can pin it on Nicola Sturgeon." None of you could give a damn about Thomson in this case, far less any of her (presumed) victims. It's just about SNPBad, because you've been soaking in it for so long you're literally unable to act like normal people. You people are fucked and you need behavioral therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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