pandarilla Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Wee tip, if you're calling someone's reply pish, maybe make sure yours actually makes sense, otherwise "you don't anyone to debate with". Having debated with Kenny before on these threads I can honestly say he has fantastic experience when it comes to talking pish. He drags you down quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 15 hours ago, forameus said: Wee tip, if you're calling someone's reply pish, maybe make sure yours actually makes sense, otherwise "you don't anyone to debate with". Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 Not his best game yesterday had a penalty saved and missed a good chance with a header just after, was subbed around 70 mins. Martin not started the last few games for Fulham not sure if he is injured, Griffiths not getting a look in and Fletcher just coming back from injury. Would be inexplicable if Strachan overlooked him for the up coming squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Not his best game yesterday had a penalty saved and missed a good chance with a header just after, was subbed around 70 mins. Martin not started the last few games for Fulham not sure if he is injured, Griffiths not getting a look in and Fletcher just coming back from injury. Would be inexplicable if Strachan overlooked him for the up coming squad. Prob deserves place in squad as he's the only striker we have getting a game...... form has been poor though I wish he would return to the form he had at Huddersfield think he's gone backwards since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 17 hours ago, F_T_Y said: Not his best game yesterday had a penalty saved and missed a good chance with a header just after, was subbed around 70 mins. Martin not started the last few games for Fulham not sure if he is injured, Griffiths not getting a look in and Fletcher just coming back from injury. Would be inexplicable if Strachan overlooked him for the up coming squad. I'd say it'd be the complete opposite of inexplicable, and can be easily explained by the reasons he continued not to pick him before. He's not become a different player just because he's moved club. Whether that's the right decision or not, it's easy to see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 17 hours ago, F_T_Y said: Not his best game yesterday had a penalty saved and missed a good chance with a header just after, was subbed around 70 mins. Would be inexplicable if Strachan overlooked him for the up coming squad. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbionMan Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 On 27 February 2017 at 08:52, thisal said: Eh? He's one of those players who, in supporters' eyes becomes better and more necessary to the team, the less often he's selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 Double for Rhodes today. Chris Martin also on the score sheet for Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopio Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 So Rhodes yet again keeps Strachans love child Fletcher out of the team, we all know what this means, Fletcher will be called up and Rhodes nowhere to be seen as we all know that is how the little clown Strachan operates!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Troops post generator comes up with gold again. You're likely right that Fletcher will be called up and Rhodes won't. At the very least, both will be, but Fletcher will still have more chance of a start. Rhodes as a player hasn't changed one bit, so I doubt the opinion of him amongst the management team has either. Fletcher offers more as a player in the style they want to play. Whether you agree with that or not, it's really not hard to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopio Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Oh I understand alright, but unlike you I live in a world where things like form, game time, scoring record etc matter more than what Steven Fletcher can bring I am afraid, I think the majority feel the same as well. I slate Chris Martin but unlike Fletcher he is actually playing and is scoring so it would not bother me to see him being the lone striker in Strachans default formation because he is at least playing Club Football. We have to stop picking players based on their reputation, what they have done in the past and the like, we have tried all that, its time to actually pick players that are playing well and playing regularly, I have discussed this with you already, I would even have Kenny Miller in 11 before Fletcher at the moment. In the squad is fine yes but he should be nowhere near getting a start and for sake of good argument, no I don't think Rhodes should or will either but 100% in the squad at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, troopio said: Oh I understand alright, but unlike you I live in a world where things like form, game time, scoring record etc matter more than what Steven Fletcher can bring I am afraid, I think the majority feel the same as well. I slate Chris Martin but unlike Fletcher he is actually playing and is scoring so it would not bother me to see him being the lone striker in Strachans default formation because he is at least playing Club Football. We have to stop picking players based on their reputation, what they have done in the past and the like, we have tried all that, its time to actually pick players that are playing well and playing regularly, I have discussed this with you already, I would even have Kenny Miller in 11 before Fletcher at the moment. In the squad is fine yes but he should be nowhere near getting a start and for sake of good argument, no I don't think Rhodes should or will either but 100% in the squad at least I never said it was my opinion, just that it's likely theirs. And between yours, mine, and theirs, it's clear which one matters (it isn't either of us). Having said that, throwing out the old "pick players on form, not reputation" is all well and good and noble, but it's not that simple. We shouldn't be relying on either of them exclusively, need to balance both. We can't just sort players by form and pick 11 from that, much like we can't sort on reputation. If I'm being totally honest, I'd err on the side of talent than form (slightly) because a player playing well at club level isn't always going to translate to international level. Countless examples of that happening. Hence why Rhodes has been ignored in the past when he's been on form. But let's face it, our options in that position are pretty poor. Rhodes isn't the answer, and will likely to be battling it out for the 4th striker spot, unlikely to bother the starting line-up much. Griffiths, Martin and Fletcher will likely be the other 3. None of which are likely to set the world alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troopio Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I have to agree, that will be the 4, if he picks 4, who will get selected and that does not bother me if they are because lets face it, who else is there??? There isn't anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 That I'll agree with. I'm not some avid defender of Steven Fletcher. I just think he offers the most all round, and given we're largely pish at creating chances, he's who I would have to create chances for midfielders. Martin is Fletcher with less to offer. Griffiths is apparently unfit, couldn't transfer his Celtic form to Scotland when he was, and I'm not even convinced he's international class anyway. Rhodes is a good finisher, but like I said, he'll need chances created for him which we can't do very well. I would trade them all for just one markedly better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullard Bluteau Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 It seems that all or most of the names being bandied around have been part of the disastrous campaign. Why pick any of them, even IF they were actually Scottish ? None, or very few of those involved previously should be considered for further selection. Of course, I am not naiive enough to think that Strachan would ignore his favoured English second division stalwarts (lol) and look to his own country for representatives, so we are condemned to yet another failed campaign and ultimately the dismissal - albeit a couple of years too late - of the latest dud manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, Dullard Bluteau said: It seems that all or most of the names being bandied around have been part of the disastrous campaign. Why pick any of them, even IF they were actually Scottish ? None, or very few of those involved previously should be considered for further selection. Of course, I am not naiive enough to think that Strachan would ignore his favoured English second division stalwarts (lol) and look to his own country for representatives, so we are condemned to yet another failed campaign and ultimately the dismissal - albeit a couple of years too late - of the latest dud manager. Yeah, let's make it so that anyone who didn't qualify in a previous international campaign just gets kicked out. Really worked for Wales and Northern Ireland when they didn't qualify! It's an incredibly short-sighted thing to say. Where exactly are we going to get decent enough replacements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 All of this makes the concept of giving Burke a run out up front more attractive. Quick strong and wouldn't have to worry about defensive chores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 17 hours ago, forameus said: I never said it was my opinion, just that it's likely theirs. And between yours, mine, and theirs, it's clear which one matters (it isn't either of us). Having said that, throwing out the old "pick players on form, not reputation" is all well and good and noble, but it's not that simple. We shouldn't be relying on either of them exclusively, need to balance both. We can't just sort players by form and pick 11 from that, much like we can't sort on reputation. If I'm being totally honest, I'd err on the side of talent than form (slightly) because a player playing well at club level isn't always going to translate to international level. Countless examples of that happening. Hence why Rhodes has been ignored in the past when he's been on form. But let's face it, our options in that position are pretty poor. Rhodes isn't the answer, and will likely to be battling it out for the 4th striker spot, unlikely to bother the starting line-up much. Griffiths, Martin and Fletcher will likely be the other 3. None of which are likely to set the world alight. Pure gold lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Pure gold lol How? That was a perfectly reasonable post.Fine to disagree on a few points but there's a lot of sense in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 17 hours ago, forameus said: Yeah, let's make it so that anyone who didn't qualify in a previous international campaign just gets kicked out. Really worked for Wales and Northern Ireland when they didn't qualify! It's an incredibly short-sighted thing to say. Where exactly are we going to get decent enough replacements? Players who have failed 3 4 or 5 times to qualify then get them to f**k in my opinion, as it can't get any worse not even making play offs anymore. We have tried the same shite for decades....news flash it don't work yet we keep on employing homegrown dinosaurs with the same old mentality defend in numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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