paul-r-cfc Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The fotmob app has him as man of the match tonight. Decent start and hopefully he'll kick on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 12 hours ago, skippy2015 said: 2 different argument with Rhodes 1. Does he deserve a place in the squad - you could easily argue either way as our strikers are poor 2. Will he make a great deal of difference and have an impact on the team? - prob not is he really that much better than Griffiths And Martin? Behave. He is twice the player Leigh Griffths is. Lets not forget he also played in the championship but achieved little with wolves. Martin is more of a target man but both have impressive scoring records, why not play both, you are allowed to play more than two strikers in a game of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Behave. He is twice the player Leigh Griffths is. Lets not forget he also played in the championship but achieved little with wolves. Martin is more of a target man but both have impressive scoring records, why not play both, you are allowed to play more than two strikers in a game of football. Griffiths has improved as a player since being at Wolves and he also did ok at Wolves 12 goals in 26 games. Griffiths would like Rhodes and Martin would be a good championship player but probably wouldn't be able step up to Premiership level which is exactly my point. Rhodes Martin and Griffiths are just Championship standard players and wouldn't make a great deal of difference who we play. If Rhodes is twice the player Griffiths is why did no team in any top league in the world want to buy him? Why did the 19 other premier league teams not buy him? The tartan army tend to overate every striker not getting into the squad like Rhodes and McCormack when in reality they just aren't as good as we think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 Well yes, no is going to argue we have a world class striker that we could choose. Other countries seem to manage fine without any stand out names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 On the second point very few teams in the world now play 2 out and out strikers and with our poor defensive record already and the fact midfield is where all our strongest players I would go with one up front . If we played 442 we would prob get over run in midfield if we played 3 5 2 I would be even more worried lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: On the second point very few teams in the world now play 2 out and out strikers and with our poor defensive record already and the fact midfield is where all our strongest players I would go with one up front . If we played 442 we would prob get over run in midfield if we played 3 5 2 I would be even more worried lol Yeah it'd have to be a 4-4-1-1 for me. Would be up for trying a 352 but I don't think it'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 why not play both Because Martin is fucking shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 hours ago, skippy2015 said: On the second point very few teams in the world now play 2 out and out strikers and with our poor defensive record already and the fact midfield is where all our strongest players I would go with one up front . If we played 442 we would prob get over run in midfield if we played 3 5 2 I would be even more worried lol So your reckoning is defence were very poor so best play a defensive style....there lies the issue with near 99% of tartan army posters on here posting that we should be more defensive and in the same line that were shite in defence. Amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 So your reckoning is defence were very poor so best play a defensive style....there lies the issue with near 99% of tartan army posters on here posting that we should be more defensive and in the same line that were shite in defence. Amusing. Yes of course.... defending doesn't just involve the defenders on the pitch but the whole team starting with the strikers. If we look back to some of our better times in the last 30 years our best results come when we play more defensive style ( obviously this is dependent on a number of different variables who we are playing etc) under Mcleish and smith we played a much more defensive style than we do now. My point was going with 2 strikers isn't the answer name 3 top nations in the top 50 who play 2 out and out strikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Kenny 131 would play 442 with Rhodes and McCormack up front [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Yes of course.... defending doesn't just involve the defenders on the pitch but the whole team starting with the strikers. If we look back to some of our better times in the last 30 years our best results come when we play more defensive style ( obviously this is dependent on a number of different variables who we are playing etc) under Mcleish and smith we played a much more defensive style than we do now. My point was going with 2 strikers isn't the answer name 3 top nations in the top 50 who play 2 out and out strikers? Ironically we played with 2 strikers in a lot of the Smith mcleish games (Georgia, Ukraine etc)! 442 was still popular then tho. It's all about balance I suppose. Playing 2 strikers doesn't automatically make you more of a threat but neither does playing with 1 make you water tight (evidently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 why dont we try taking the game to our opponents for once, and i mean all opponents not just the diddies (below us diddies) we know our defence is utter rank, yet we continue to try and bolster it by playing a defensive formation, only issue is our midifled (the defensive ones anyone) are shite as well, one of our big problems is, once we go a goal down, we're set up in such a defensive manner that its almost impossible for us to change to an attacking style to try get back in the game if we are gonna get pumped we are gonna get pumped, at least go down fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I think we would be more attacking if our players could keep possession in a competent manner. I don't know if you'd noticed but it's not as easy as just telling players to attack more otherwise they probably would. Without decent centre halves or centre mids to start attacks, how are you expecting us to be able to dominate games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 8 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: I think we would be more attacking if our players could keep possession in a competent manner. I don't know if you'd noticed but it's not as easy as just telling players to attack more otherwise they probably would. Without decent centre halves or centre mids to start attacks, how are you expecting us to be able to dominate games? This. Although I wouldn't say it's as simle as keeping possession. A lot of games we fall down in have seen us get a lot of possession. Against Lithuania we had 61.5%, against Georgia we had 55%. I expected it to be more against Georgia given my memory of the game - apart from the goal - was us just keeping the ball in front of their massed ranks, but creating nothing. We created ore against Lithuania, but nothing of a decent enough standard. Possession is a good base, but against better teams we obviously don't keep it well enough, and against the weaker ones when he inevitably shoot ourselves in the foot, we don't have enough quality possession to make a difference. But you're right about the rest. It's not as if they're sending them out there and saying "don't attack". We don't have players that can make something out of nothing, so forwards need something created for them. Personally, I think our problem is that the strongest part of the team on paper - our midfield - just aren't living up to their potential and influencing enough. If they're not producing, our forwards won't score, and we're likely to let in at the back. Good combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearbuyerbell Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The problem isn't with the system. 4231 works well for Scotland when we fill it with the right personal. We're actually very well equipped to be a decent counter-attacking team, until Stachan chucks Ritchie and Snodgrass on the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Goal for Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Rhodes scores tonight v Birmingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 He was practically in tears after in too. Pleased for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieda Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 He came across as an absolute gentleman in prematch interview. Didn't realise he was a Wednesday fan. Looked like that goal meant everything to him, must have been some feeling running up to his old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 If Rhodes scores a few over next few weeks and fletcher doesn't play. I assume will still be normal service in next squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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