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18 hours ago, The Master said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43110905

1) This is not new information; it's been known for months that there would be no "British" referees because there were no Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish on the provision list, and the only one from England was Mark Clattenburg, who has since gone to Saudi Arabia.

2) The way it's written seems to be conflating "British" and "English".

I think that was intentional. The English media love drumming up a bit of 'UEFA/FIFA hate us' sentiment.

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19 hours ago, The Master said:

2) The way it's written seems to be conflating "British" and "English".

That's probably more down to the English never having a fucking clue about when to use British/Britain or England/England in the first place. 

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On 3/29/2018 at 17:02, The Master said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43110905

 

2) The way it's written seems to be conflating "British" and "English".

Is it really though?

It clearly starts off stating that there are to be no British representatives in Russia since the sole British ref,  from England,  has since forfeited his place.  The link clearly goes from British ref's to an English ref to  stating that England have been represented since nineteen oatcoak in the World Cup.  Has there been a continual presence of any other British nation as a referee from then?  Well, the article clearly stated no, since Clattenburg was the sole representative from these isles in the last two World Cups.

Seems perfectly ok to me.  Point 1 has definitely got merit though.

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53 minutes ago, Loonytoons said:

Is it really though?

It clearly starts off stating that there are to be no British representatives in Russia since the sole British ref,  from England,  has since forfeited his place.  The link clearly goes from British ref's to an English ref to  stating that England have been represented since nineteen oatcoak in the World Cup.  Has there been a continual presence of any other British nation as a referee from then?  Well, the article clearly stated no, since Clattenburg was the sole representative from these isles in the last two World Cups.

Seems perfectly ok to me.  Point 1 has definitely got merit though.

It was these paragraphs in particular that raised an eyebrow:

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In terms of Fifa's international list, the Football Association and referees' association PGMOL work together to put forward their choices. 

The final decision is taken by the FA Referees' Committee and they nominated Martin Atkinson, Stuart Attwell, Robert Madley, Michael Oliver, Craig Pawson, Anthony Taylor and Paul Tierney for 2018.

The (English) FA and (English) PGMOL put forward all British referees?

There's nothing prior to this that shifts the article from "British" to exclusively talking about English referees. There's the specific example of Mark Clattenburg, and the FA's attempt to replace him, but after that they talk again about "British officials". 

It's poor use of language, using the terms "British" and "English" as if they are interchangeable. 

Edit: James Richardson was guilty of it earlier today, highlighted by Tam McManus on Twitter. He did a Facebook Live thing to promote BT's documentary on Italian Football being shown in the UK, and 50 seconds in he said that Football Italia brought Italian football "to English viewers".

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1 hour ago, The Master said:

It was these paragraphs in particular that raised an eyebrow:

The (English) FA and (English) PGMOL put forward all British referees?

There's nothing prior to this that shifts the article from "British" to exclusively talking about English referees. There's the specific example of Mark Clattenburg, and the FA's attempt to replace him, but after that they talk again about "British officials". 

It's poor use of language, using the terms "British" and "English" as if they are interchangeable. 

Edit: James Richardson was guilty of it earlier today, highlighted by Tam McManus on Twitter. He did a Facebook Live thing to promote BT's documentary on Italian Football being shown in the UK, and 50 seconds in he said that Football Italia brought Italian football "to English viewers".

Get that chip off our shoulder ffs. 

They go from

  • British refs
  • The only British ref who is English (bailed out and not replaced)
  • Throw away paragraph about assistant referees (had to go somewhere and this was probably the best place, i.e immediately after referees, like they do in football programmes and tv coverage
  • Quite clearly back to English refs being ever present since 1950
  • FA and PGMOL

There is nothing in there that states the FA and PGMOL put forward British refs.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Loonytoons said:
3 hours ago, The Master said:
You seem angry. 
Maybe reading a book on the use of language will calm you down. 

I'll take your lack of rebuttal as you conceding the point then.

If thinking that someone on an internet forum has "conceded [a] point" to you makes you happy in life, go nuts.

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On 3/31/2018 at 00:15, The Master said:

It was these paragraphs in particular that raised an eyebrow:

The (English) FA and (English) PGMOL put forward all British referees?

There's nothing prior to this that shifts the article from "British" to exclusively talking about English referees. There's the specific example of Mark Clattenburg, and the FA's attempt to replace him, but after that they talk again about "British officials". 

It's poor use of language, using the terms "British" and "English" as if they are interchangeable. 

Edit: James Richardson was guilty of it earlier today, highlighted by Tam McManus on Twitter. He did a Facebook Live thing to promote BT's documentary on Italian Football being shown in the UK, and 50 seconds in he said that Football Italia brought Italian football "to English viewers".

I think the English / British confusion is because it is (at least theoretically) possible that the (English) FA could put forward a Welsh referee for international games, i.e.  a Welsh referee isn't going to progress to World Cup level just from taking semi-pro Welsh Premier League games - but they could progress by entering the "English" system ala some of their clubs. Clive Thomas went to the 1978 World Cup and gave the world this comic moment.

 

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Bizarre article this:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-flop-carlos-pena-branded-12286220

Headline - "Rangers flop Carlos Pena branded a 'shameful disgrace' as Pedro Caixinha's Cruz Azul lose again"

In the body of the story - "But the on loan Ibrox star, who just turned 28, was hooked at the break...."

So apparently he's a flop and a star? :lol:

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Phrases you never thought you'd write... Saturday's Guardian gives pronouncement on the Scottish pyramid question:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/01/junior-football-scotland-ruin-senior-leagues


Firstly, there seems to be a glaring inconsistency in the columnist's eschewing of a united football structure and the glorification of "hard men" style Junior football as illustrated by Auchinleck v Cumnock (hardly typical incidentally) - only to then ascribe our failure to qualify for a finals tournament since 1998 to old-fashioned administration, governance, coaching and refereeing.


Secondly, we're told the Juniors should reject the pyramid and senior football as it's run by

"a cadre of small businessmen who operate in a world where the politics of the masonic hall and golf club still hold sway"

and as this grade (itself semi-professional let's remember) in contrast

"carries a resonance in Scottish civic life that travels well beyond the shallow capitalism of professional football" with which they "should have no truck"


I hadn't realised it was a life-n-death showdown with freemasonry and the macroeconomic system. Extraordinary.

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10 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Phrases you never thought you'd write... Saturday's Guardian gives pronouncement on the Scottish pyramid question:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/01/junior-football-scotland-ruin-senior-leagues


Firstly, there seems to be a glaring inconsistency in the columnist's eschewing of a united football structure and the glorification of "hard men" style Junior football as illustrated by Auchinleck v Cumnock (hardly typical incidentally) - only to then ascribe our failure to qualify for a finals tournament since 1998 to old-fashioned administration, governance, coaching and refereeing.


Secondly, we're told the Juniors should reject the pyramid and senior football as it's run by

"a cadre of small businessmen who operate in a world where the politics of the masonic hall and golf club still hold sway"

and as this grade (itself semi-professional let's remember) in contrast

"carries a resonance in Scottish civic life that travels well beyond the shallow capitalism of professional football" with which they "should have no truck"


I hadn't realised it was a life-n-death showdown with freemasonry and the macroeconomic system. Extraordinary.

It's a downright silly piece.

Arguing that the junior game has value and that the clubs needn't become part of the national senior set up is of course perfectly valid.  

He really struggles though in arguing about the corrupt "Masonic hall and golf club" culture that he wants junior clubs to steer clear of.

And he absolutely founders when trying to eulogise the throwback nature of junior football, by somehow highlighting the lack of modern thinking behind the national side's ongoing failures.  The daft sod doesn't know what he's trying to say, but says something anyway.

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20 minutes ago, Stu said:

According to Simon Donnelly: "We all know United are a Premiership club and should really deserve to be there."

I hadn't realised how that how it works.

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1 hour ago, Stu said:

According to Simon Donnelly: "We all know United are a Premiership club and should really deserve to be there."

I hadn't realised how that how it works.

I've honestly no idea why we bother with the actual matches if they keep throwing up these undeserved fates for certain clubs.

The current system is clearly so unfair.

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