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46 minutes ago, philyerboots said:

Well, the headline question is margin of error stuff, what we can say is that the pro Indy base remains entirely resilient. On the when to have a referendum question, there are a couple of things that stick out:

1) There is a definite pollster house effect: Panelbase and YouGov are wildly divergent in terms of these numbers, ranging from YG's 1/3 in favour of a referendum in 5 years,  and PB which show's a near 50% in favour. 

2) More interestingly, the number of people who would vote Yes in a referendum massively leads the number of people who want a referendum. Indeed, the same phenomenon occurs on the Brexit question where there is no majority for a 2nd referendum (according to Ashcroft's latest) but there is a majority for a remain vote - how does it make sense then, on Brexit (and indeed Indy) that you have people who've changed their mind about the result but don't want to ultimately express that changed sentiment? Fact is no one wants referendums, if you ask them, but they'll vote in them if you have one. Ultimately the question of whether to have a referendum has little bearing on the outcome of the referendum once set, at which point voters minds will concentrate n the question in front of them.

With that in mind, there is nothing in that dataset to be miserable about from a Yes perspective. 

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It's a funny point that we're at now politically.

Almost nobody I know thinks that Brexit is a good idea, and as has been proven by several polls in Scotland, the majority of people think that the Tories are making an absolute clusterf*ck of the whole thing.

And yet the same people seem willing to sit on their hands and meekly accept the direction that the country is heading.

It seems to me to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It's a meek acceptance that people feel that no matter what they do, it'll make no difference.

And so they do nothing at all.

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It's a funny point that we're at now politically.
Almost nobody I know thinks that Brexit is a good idea, and as has been proven by several polls in Scotland, the majority of people think that the Tories are making an absolute clusterf*ck of the whole thing.
And yet the same people seem willing to sit on their hands and meekly accept the direction that the country is heading.
It seems to me to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It's a meek acceptance that people feel that no matter what they do, it'll make no difference.
And so they do nothing at all.
It's embarrassing, Scotland is merely a region of England.
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5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:
55 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:
It's a funny point that we're at now politically.
Almost nobody I know thinks that Brexit is a good idea, and as has been proven by several polls in Scotland, the majority of people think that the Tories are making an absolute clusterf*ck of the whole thing.
And yet the same people seem willing to sit on their hands and meekly accept the direction that the country is heading.
It seems to me to be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. It's a meek acceptance that people feel that no matter what they do, it'll make no difference.
And so they do nothing at all.

It's embarrassing, Scotland is merely a region of England.

That is officially the position of the UK government.  They had a legal opinion written in 2014 stating that in 1707 the kingdom of Scotland was dissolved and the kingdom of England renamed the united kingdom.  Obviously in anticipation of a potential yes vote so they could try to make us leave with no assets or whatever.  Still disgusting though.

 

Just watched Theresa may responding to the SNP in pmqs a minute ago.  The utter contempt she showed for the aspirations of our entire country was genuinely nauseating and surpassed only in recent memory by George Osborne.

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Scotland has an active political participation in the Westminster parliament and quite a substantial level of its autonomy. I’m sure the sons and daughters of the Mau Mau rebels are saying prayers for the poor oppressed citizens of Scotland.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Scotland has an active political participation in the Westminster parliament and quite a substantial level of its autonomy. I’m sure the sons and daughters of the Mau Mau rebels are saying prayers for the poor oppressed citizens of Scotland.

 

 

Who decides how much 'autonomy' Scotland has and in what areas?  Take your time champ.

 

By all definitions Scotland is a colony whether you want to live in denial or not.

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Who decides how much 'autonomy' Scotland has and in what areas?  Take your time champ.
 
By all definitions Scotland is a colony whether you want to live in denial or not.


Well Scotland twice decided how much autonomy it wanted in two separate referendums “champ”. There’s a big difference between a colony and a region “champ”. We were active participants in colonising the British Empire mates particularly just across the water mates.
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3 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Who decides how much 'autonomy' Scotland has and in what areas?  Take your time champ.

 

By all definitions Scotland is a colony whether you want to live in denial or not.

Colony sounds about right. Surely you can accept that is exactly what Scotland deserves. We are just the poor cousins of the rest of the UK.

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12 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 


Well Scotland twice decided how much autonomy it wanted in two separate referendums “champ”. There’s a big difference between a colony and a region “champ”. We were active participants in colonising the British Empire mates particularly just across the water mates.

 

Yeah we voted for a parliament first time and were cheated out of it by labour, then we were lied to by labour the second time about how much autonomy would come with a no vote.

 

Not much choice being active participants when you're a colony champ, we weren't making the decisions.

 

Scotland fits the description of a colony perfectly.

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