Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Do you think French independence is insular and nationalistic? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Jmothecat2 said: No. So why the different views on Scottish and French independence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Why do you think support for independence has risen in the last few months? 4 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Survation had support for independence at 43% in June and 46% now. Why do you think that is? 3 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: How many No voters were in the 62% who voted to remain in the EU? How will they break next time? As previously mentioned, the trend towards Yes is a positive one. 19 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Do you think Brexit is more or less insular and nationalistic than Scottish independence? 15 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Do you think French independence is insular and nationalistic? Are you doing an opinion poll? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 So why the different views on Scottish and French independence? Because Scots aren't oppressed by an undemocratic regime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Roughly the same. Utterly ridiculous.The scottish Indy case was always about being an open, internationalist society and making our own decisions in line with that.Brexit is the opposite. Close the doors, block the immigrants, make Britain great again etc. All the while wanting all the benefits of the club without being in the club or playing by the rules.The EDL, UKIP, BNP, SDL, DUP and national front all wanted a no vote and brexit. What does that tell you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: Because Scots aren't oppressed by an undemocratic regime. Are the French? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Are the French? They were, hence the revolution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Jmothecat2 said: They were, hence the revolution. My question was posed in the present tense. Try again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Utterly ridiculous.The scottish Indy case was always about being an open, internationalist society and making our own decisions in line with that.Brexit is the opposite. Close the doors, block the immigrants, make Britain great again etc. All the while wanting all the benefits of the club without being in the club or playing by the rules.The EDL, UKIP, BNP, SDL, DUP and national front all wanted a no vote and brexit. What does that tell you? That their nationalism is British nationalism not Scottish. I don't think Scottish nationalism is as unsavoury and racist as aspects of the British Brexit nationalism but I think they are both nationalistic causes and there are similarities in the reasons many yes voters voted yes as the reasons many leave voters voted leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 My question was posed in the present tense. Try again. What are you talking about? French independence from who? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Jmothecat2 said: What are you talking about? French independence from who? From everyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 From everyone. Then yes. I'm not that up on French politics but I'm unaware of any French independence movement so I'm really struggling to figure out what you are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Jmothecat2 said: Then yes. I'm not that up on French politics but I'm unaware of any French independence movement so I'm really struggling to figure out what you are talking about. I'm trying to ascertain why you think Scottish independence is insular and nationalistic but French independence isn't. It's quite straightforward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm trying to ascertain why you think Scottish independence is insular and nationalistic but French independence isn't. It's quite straightforward. It's not straightforward as you've completely made up a situation. I think a fictional French independence movement in present day, democratic, not oppressed, France would be insular and nationalistic, though as there isn't one, as far as I'm aware, how the f**k am I possibly supposed to comment on one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 From a self-confessed troll who basically lives in a Politics sub forum of a football message board. Fucking hell [emoji38] Thanks for your input made without a hint of irony.We were all getting along fine without a potty mouth juvenile input to the topic thank you very much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: It's not straightforward as you've completely made up a situation. I think a fictional French independence movement in present day, democratic, not oppressed, France would be insular and nationalistic, though as there isn't one, as far as I'm aware, how the f**k am I possibly supposed to comment on one? I'm not aware of any movement in France for France to give up its independence. That means the French people want France to be independent. Using your logic they are therefore insular and nationalistic. Do you disagree? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I'm not aware of any movement in France for France to give up its independence. That means the French people want France to be independent. Using your logic they are therefore insular and nationalistic. Do you disagree? No, that's not using my logic at all. Your argument is completely unsound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: I'm not aware of any movement in France for France to give up its independence. That means the French people want France to be independent. Using your logic they are therefore insular and nationalistic. Do you disagree? The only people fighting for more independence for France are the Front National, and yes, they are very insular and nationalistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: No, that's not using my logic at all. Your argument is completely unsound. Perhaps you could explain your logic then. Explain why people who want Scottish independence are insular and nationalistic but people who want French independence aren't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, welshbairn said: The only people fighting for more independence for France are the Front National, and yes, they are very insular and nationalistic. France is independent. You are correct about the FN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.