When will indyref2 happen?

[John Lambies Doos]

I don't think its certain to return a Yes vote. But I agree they're unlikely to accede to a vote: we were only granted one last time because the British Government thought it would be a rout and end talk of independence forever.  So there's not much to gain from allowing one this time around. They're certainly not confident.
The only thing that might change its mind is pressure and that might be helped either by the SNP holding the balance of power at the next election, or even polls that show a majority in favour of indy. Then the Tories can't use the argument that most people don't want another referendum. 

Yeh but if SNP hold balance of power in WM we will be told we are leading, not leaving etc... And they won't be able to bring the labour government down ala Tartan Tory pish starts again.
Now is the fucking time!

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Realistically, what can they do to obstruct WM?

[Peppino Impastato]

Just now, jupe1407 said:

Realistically, what can they do to obstruct WM?

By events yesterday it would seem that making one of the SNP mps sit in the commons and shout objection every time they attempt to pass a bill might be an idea.  Maybe just send one more in each day solely to do that.

[Colkitto]

8 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

I'm not sure we have the power to have much effect.  I think we should hold a referendum anyway with or without a s30.  Making the next hr election a plebiscite on independence is also an option.  

You only need to see what Charles Stewart Parnell achieved. This is doable in my opinion. The SNP  have a presence on the Westminster committees too, that's another area  for disruption.   

Fillibuster everything you can. Disrupt every PMQ's Just be a major pain in the arse. 

Westminster will have hundreds of   of new legislation to pass from Brexit, that's up and above business as usual stuff

[Mr Heliums]

18 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Yeh but if SNP hold balance of power in WM we will be told we are leading, not leaving etc... And they won't be able to bring the labour government down ala Tartan Tory pish starts again.
Now is the fucking time!

 

Not disputing that. Just saying it's hard now. The alternatives – waiting until 2021, hoping there's a balance of power in a Labour administration, getting a pro-indy majority in the Holyrood elections that will be dominated by the constitutional issue, and then winning a referendum – that's a lot of hurdles to jump.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Mr Heliums

[Peppino Impastato]

Just now, Colkitto said:

You only need to see what Charles Stewart Parnell achieved. This is doable in my opinion. The SNP  have a presence on the Westminster committees too, that's another area  for disruption.   

Fillibuster everything you can. Disrupt every PMQ's Just be a major pain in the arse. 

Westminster will have hundreds of   of new legislation to pass from Brexit, that's up and above business as usual stuff

Yeah it probably is the best option now.  And reiterate we plan a referendum inn march next year.

[Miguel Sanchez]

Grim times right enough if RedRob is predicting the end of the union.

[ICTJohnboy]

32 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:

Realistically, what can they do to obstruct WM?

 

Bugger the speaker?

[John Lambies Doos]

Every member should write to SNP stating now is the time

[Colkitto]

19 hours ago, doulikefish said:

I know it was mentioed earlier on but wheeling out brown already is a good sign of panic in the yoons

[BallochSonsFan]

On 26/05/2018 at 17:00, AUFC90 said:

On 26/05/2018 at 16:10, BallochSonsFan said:

So you'll have a Scottish passport then?
It isn't a country. It's a constituent member of a country. It only becomes a country if it gains independence and is then internationally recognised as an independent sovereign nation.

It's not an independent sovereign nation but it is a country. Anyone who disputes this loses the right to be taken seriously.

http://www.un.org/en/member-states/

So it's omission from that list is an oversight then?

[John Lambies Doos]

http://www.un.org/en/member-states/
So it's omission from that list is an oversight then?

That's UN member states buddy. You have completely missed Ayrs point

[Granny Danger]

4 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Every member should write to SNP stating now is the time

I’m not convinced a vote in the next 6-12 months would return a YES vote.

 

[John Lambies Doos]

I’m not convinced a vote in the next 6-12 months would return a YES vote.
 

Bit more positive GD

[Granny Danger]

3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

 

Bit more positive GD

 

OK

I’m definitely not convinced a vote in the next 6-12 months would return a YES vote.

[Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach]

I think the last week or so will have increased the yes support a little. However, i think it's best to wait until the Brexit 'agreement' is finalised and it becomes apparent we've definitely be shafted financially. That's when a larger number the 'middle class', 35-55 yr old Remain voters will back yes

[philyerboots]

[pandarilla]

By events yesterday it would seem that making one of the SNP mps sit in the commons and shout objection every time they attempt to pass a bill might be an idea.  Maybe just send one more in each day solely to do that.

Is that not just for private member bills though? It has no effect on government legislation.

[lichtgilphead]

Why does Nicola have a tail? Is this some sort of allegory?

 

Oh, Maybe not. Just a shit photoshop.

https://www.amazon.com/Dressed-Riding-Glowing-Breathing-Unicorn/dp/B078RM4H46

 

[ICTJohnboy]

Maybe some clever dick could set up a poll for an Indyref2 - whenever it takes place.

Basically asking how you would vote this time and how did you vote last time.