When will indyref2 happen?

[Mark Connolly]

14 hours ago, bob the tank said:

 

She's got her fleg upside down

 

I think that's because the Union is in distress.

[John Lambies Doos]

She's got the wrong flag

Ftfy

[git-intae-thum]

Something fishy has went on at Youngs seafood factory.

Big UK gov grant handed to the company.

Plant in Annan shut down. Hundreds of  Scottish jobs lost.

Youngs expand their plant in Hull.

Mundells constituency as well.

Our media say......SNP bad.

[BucksburnDandy]

Something fishy has went on at Youngs seafood factory.
Big UK gov grant handed to the company.
Plant in Annan shut down. Hundreds of  Scottish jobs lost.
Youngs expand their plant in Hull.
Mundells constituency as well.
Our media say......SNP bad.

We'll never win over the media. We need to go directly to voters and that means thousands of volunteers willing to knock on doors.

[dirty dingus]

I know Tommy the Tan isn't everyone's cup of tea but he nails it here on what needs to happen.                   

As a socialist who believes passionately in an independent socialist Scotland, a modern democratic republic which prioritises people over profits I accept that vision is not shared by all in the Indy Movement but it is part of the Indy Movement. The recent Growth Commission Report is a discussion paper not an Indy Movement position document. I and many others felt the SNP White Paper in 2014 lacked radical vision for a new Scotland but it didn't deter us from campaigning tirelessly for independence. Our common goal is independence but that is not our destination. It is only the start of our journey to a new and better country. Don't lose our focus now at a critical stage in the IndyRef2 march. Concentrate on building maximum unity behind YES this time while preserving our right to promote our distinctive visions of an independent Scotland. Mine is a modern and democratic socialist republic. You may not share that vision and I may not share your vision but our common cause and goal is securing independence. That must remain the priority which binds us and unites us. Don't play into unionist hands with a lack of perspective and proportion in relation to the recent Growth Commission Report. Retain our focus and unity around the fundamental demand for independence. The rest of the journey can't begin until we reach that starting line. Hope Over Fear. One Cause One Clan. All Under One Banner. Tie Your Ropes Together. United For YES.

[Baxter Parp]

22 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

I know Tommy the Tan isn't everyone's cup of tea but he nails it here on what needs to happen.                   

As a socialist who believes passionately in an independent socialist Scotland, a modern democratic republic which prioritises people over profits I accept that vision is not shared by all in the Indy Movement but it is part of the Indy Movement. The recent Growth Commission Report is a discussion paper not an Indy Movement position document. I and many others felt the SNP White Paper in 2014 lacked radical vision for a new Scotland but it didn't deter us from campaigning tirelessly for independence. Our common goal is independence but that is not our destination. It is only the start of our journey to a new and better country. Don't lose our focus now at a critical stage in the IndyRef2 march. Concentrate on building maximum unity behind YES this time while preserving our right to promote our distinctive visions of an independent Scotland. Mine is a modern and democratic socialist republic. You may not share that vision and I may not share your vision but our common cause and goal is securing independence. That must remain the priority which binds us and unites us. Don't play into unionist hands with a lack of perspective and proportion in relation to the recent Growth Commission Report. Retain our focus and unity around the fundamental demand for independence. The rest of the journey can't begin until we reach that starting line. Hope Over Fear. One Cause One Clan. All Under One Banner. Tie Your Ropes Together. United For YES.

Pretty much the way I see it.

[DA Baracus]

3 hours ago, BucksburnDandy said:

We'll never win over the media. We need to go directly to voters and that means thousands of volunteers willing to knock on doors.

Does this actually work though? Surely most folk wouldn't even listen to what someone chapping their door has to say, let alone change their views if they did listen.

[welshbairn]

14 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Does this actually work though? Surely most folk wouldn't even listen to what someone chapping their door has to say, let alone change their views if they did listen.

It's not going to change anyone's mind but it might remind them how important it is to get out there and vote. And that they're not being taken for granted.

Could be enough to sway the odd undecided voter too.

Edited June 5, 2018 by welshbairn

[knee jerk reaction]

World environment day, action desperately and urgently needed urgently to save the planet, save the human race and all species on earth. Overpopulation, climate change and competition for resources will at least lead to war and famine. And what are we, on one of the most influential countries in the world worrying about? What's the vital issue? Let's go out and chap doors for independence, the issue of whether 0.07% of the world's population should be governed from north or south of an imaginary line on a map!! Or if you're a unionist, what 1% of the world's population's trading relationship with the nearest continent should be!! Keep waving the wee plastic saltires/union jacks, I'm sure our descendants will be so proud of us and how we helped change the world....

[knee jerk reaction]

Sorry for the rant but I just can't see the whole brexit/independence thing as more than a trivial side issue rather than the be all and end all issue that everything must be judged on.

[Detournement]

They are both opportunities to decouple from the economic model that is destroying the planet.

Opportunities to change structures permamently rather than just small, temporary policy shifts.

[Baxter Parp]

48 minutes ago, knee jerk reaction said:

World environment day, action desperately and urgently needed urgently to save the planet, save the human race and all species on earth. Overpopulation, climate change and competition for resources will at least lead to war and famine. And what are we, on one of the most influential countries in the world worrying about? What's the vital issue? Let's go out and chap doors for independence, the issue of whether 0.07% of the world's population should be governed from north or south of an imaginary line on a map!! Or if you're a unionist, what 1% of the world's population's trading relationship with the nearest continent should be!! Keep waving the wee plastic saltires/union jacks, I'm sure our descendants will be so proud of us and how we helped change the world....

Christ, knee jerk, indeed.  Nobody's saying we should ignore any of those things.

Edited June 5, 2018 by Baxter Parp

[knee jerk reaction]

I'm just saying that independence is the one issue that is defining scotland (as brexit is the uk) so much focus by politicians and activists either for or anti Indy. The leaders, the go getters, the opinion makers are all focused on what is really a non or low importance issue, considering where the world could be in 100 years and the action needed now I just think concentrating on Indy ref/brexit etc makes the job of  rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic look vitally important!

[welshbairn]

Just now, knee jerk reaction said:

I'm just saying that independence is the one issue that is defining scotland (as brexit is the uk) so much focus by politicians and activists either for or anti Indy. The leaders, the go getters, the opinion makers are all focused on what is really a non or low importance issue, considering where the world could be in 100 years and the action needed now I just think concentrating on Indy ref/brexit etc makes the job of  rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic look vitally important!

Scotland will have no influence on shaping action on climate change tethered to a UK drifting away to the North Atlantic. Climate change needs to be fought on a continental and global level. We need a voice at the top EU tables to get anything done, for that we need independence.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I'm just saying that independence is the one issue that is defining scotland (as brexit is the uk) so much focus by politicians and activists either for or anti Indy. The leaders, the go getters, the opinion makers are all focused on what is really a non or low importance issue, considering where the world could be in 100 years and the action needed now I just think concentrating on Indy ref/brexit etc makes the job of  rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic look vitally important!

Ask yourself this, why do you think the green party is pro indy?

[JamieThomas]

Brb lads, popping over to China to stop them from polluting the planet. Should only take five minutes or so.

[AUFC90]

World environment day, action desperately and urgently needed urgently to save the planet, save the human race and all species on earth. Overpopulation, climate change and competition for resources will at least lead to war and famine. And what are we, on one of the most influential countries in the world worrying about? What's the vital issue? Let's go out and chap doors for independence, the issue of whether 0.07% of the world's population should be governed from north or south of an imaginary line on a map!! Or if you're a unionist, what 1% of the world's population's trading relationship with the nearest continent should be!! Keep waving the wee plastic saltires/union jacks, I'm sure our descendants will be so proud of us and how we helped change the world....

Independence is more important and since renewables os vital for our future id hazard a guess that an independent Scotland will do a lot better in that regard than Westminster. They've already cut the subsidies.

[Detournement]

31 minutes ago, JamieThomas said:

Brb lads, popping over to China to stop them from polluting the planet. Should only take five minutes or so.

Our contribution to reducing pollution in China is straightforward.

Stop buying so much shite off them and stop sending them our waste products.

[Detournement]

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=39501

A good analysis of Andrew Wilson's idiocy.

[sophia]

3 hours ago, Detournement said:

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=39501

A good analysis of Andrew Wilson's idiocy.

"Scotland would be exposed to British government decisions yet have no political stake in those decisions."

"Scotland would be better off staying within Britain and exerting internal political pressure to improve its situation."

^^^^

I can't even begin to comprehend how that is remotely serious or coherent