Loondave1 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Mate the problem here is twofold. One, you're an arsehole. Two, you're a shitebag. Shut up and strap on a pair. We have the mandate it's happening now. Trolling or commenting it's such a fine line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 5 hours ago, HTG said: Pep is being somewhat impetuous here. May knocking back a formal Indyref request would be an outstanding result for the independence movement. It’s already happened previously and it didn’t have any real effect on the polls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: I'd have thought it was pretty obvious. Making a populist appeal to the passionate right or left instead of the rational centre has worked in Italy. A clown and a Fascist have shaken hands and taken over. I was wondering who the “anarchists” were in your original post, that’s all. Maybe people have abandoned the “rational centre” after its manifest failings since the 1990s. You know, things like Iraq, debt mountains, PFI...maybe the centre stopped being “rational” and voters acted accordingly. Bizarre comment tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Ivo den Bieman said: I was wondering who the “anarchists” were in your original post, that’s all. Maybe people have abandoned the “rational centre” after its manifest failings since the 1990s. You know, things like Iraq, debt mountains, PFI...maybe the centre stopped being “rational” and voters acted accordingly. That wasn't rational, that was the centre-right. Although advertised as centerist New Labour were pretty right-wing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NotThePars Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I was wondering who the “anarchists” were in your original post, that’s all. Maybe people have abandoned the “rational centre” after its manifest failings since the 1990s. You know, things like Iraq, debt mountains, PFI...maybe the centre stopped being “rational” and voters acted accordingly. Bizarre comment tbh Also look at the collective shitting itself the centre does whenever there’s the prospect that they should hold their nose and vote for leftists rather than their usual demanding of the opposite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Incidentally the thing that seems to bond the League and 5 Star is a hardon for Putin and a desire to break up the EU, an aspiration shared coincidentally by Nationalists Trump and Putin. First on the agenda, round up half a million undocumented immigrants and deport them, Trump style. Welcome to the New World Order! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Incidentally the thing that seems to bond the League and 5 Star is a hardon for Putin and a desire to break up the EU, an aspiration shared coincidentally by Nationalists Trump and Putin. First on the agenda, round up half a million undocumented immigrants and deport them, Trump style. Welcome to the New World Order! It’s not exactly a “new” world order to deport undocumented immigrants when it’s just an acceleration of what’s been public policy for years. If you want to grant full amnesties for “illegal” immigrants across the EU and throw open the borders to those trying to get here then I 100% support you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It’s not exactly a “new” world order to deport undocumented immigrants when it’s just an acceleration of what’s been public policy for years. If you want to grant full amnesties for “illegal” immigrants across the EU and throw open the borders to those trying to get here then I 100% support you. If the half million refugees were shared around the EU members as they were supposed to be there wouldn't be such a problem in Italy. The UK just told Italy and the EU GTF, we aren't taking any. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 If the half million refugees were shared around the EU members as they were supposed to be there wouldn't be such a problem in Italy. The UK just told Italy and the EU GTF, we aren't taking any. It wasn’t just the UK though was it? They’re erecting border fences all along the eastern borders and Spain is erecting multiple sets of walls on their African territory to stop people from landing there or just chucking kids off of transports to stop them from entering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It wasn’t just the UK though was it? They’re erecting border fences all along the eastern borders and Spain is erecting multiple sets of walls on their African territory to stop people from landing there or just chucking kids off of transports to stop them from entering. Ceuta has always had big fences. We have the Channel. I'm just disturbed at the rise of right wing Nationalism in Hungary, Czechia, Poland and now Italy, and that the populist left seem to have more in common with them than with liberal social democrats. If Europe breaks up into competing xenophobic rival Nations the only influential voices in the world will be an increasingly belligerent and Nationalist America, an authoritarian and Nationalist Russia continually testing the boundaries of what it can get away in interfering with and downright invading other countries, and China. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Ceuta has always had big fences. We have the Channel. I'm just disturbed at the rise of right wing Nationalism in Hungary, Czechia, Poland and now Italy, and that the populist left seem to have more in common with them than with liberal social democrats. If Europe breaks up into competing xenophobic rival Nations the only influential voices in the world will be an increasingly belligerent and Nationalist America, an authoritarian and Nationalist Russia continually testing the boundaries of what it can get away in interfering with and downright invading other countries, and China. They’ve built more walls is the point to specifically stop people from even landing on EU soil. You have to acknowledge that the EU signed a joint immigration agreement with Morocco as well for their assistance in preventing migrants from reaching the Melilla fence. The UK’s refusal to take any refugees in as well is directly bolstered by the Dublin Regulations which forces the bulk of migrant applications to be considered on the EU’s border regions barring shenanigans. There’s a running theme of pushing this issue to the margins rather than collectively taking full responsibility. I’m not sure what really unites the “populist left” and right wing nationalists have in common other than euroscepticism. What else unites them? Genuinely interested as I haven’t paid much attention to Italy. It’s not like liberal social democrats haven’t united with the right to crush the left whenever they’ve got too uppity. It’s a tradition as old as Rosa Luxemberg being shot by the Freikorps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: I’m not sure what really unites the “populist left” and right wing nationalists have in common other than euroscepticism. What else unites them? 5star's philosophy seems to be destroy the status quo, have Government by Social Media and see what happens. They want an end to Schengen, outlawing rescue ships on the Med and deportation of all illegal immigrants. Not sure how they and the League plan to speed up deportation. The parties share some positions on Green stuff. P,S, There seems to be a divide between the membership and leadership on immigration, if I understood google's translation. https://www.corriere.it/politica/14_gennaio_13/grillo-lancia-consultazioni-reato-clandestinita-dissidenti-politica-non-sia-videogame-b474ad60-7c49-11e3-bc95-3898e25f75f1.shtml 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 5star's philosophy seems to be destroy the status quo, have Government by Social Media and see what happens. They want an end to Schengen, outlawing rescue ships on the Med and deportation of all illegal immigrants. Not sure how they and the League plan to speed up deportation. The parties share some positions on Green stuff. P,S, There seems to be a divide between the membership and leadership on immigration, if I understood google's translation.https://www.corriere.it/politica/14_gennaio_13/grillo-lancia-consultazioni-reato-clandestinita-dissidenti-politica-non-sia-videogame-b474ad60-7c49-11e3-bc95-3898e25f75f1.shtml Reading bits about them atm and they sound as fucking ludicrous as you would expect an “Italian movement led by a comedian” to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44210753?ns_campaign=bbc_scotland_news&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=scotland Mark Carney says currency union 'economically possible' The Bank of England governor has said it would be economically possible for an independent Scotland to have a currency union with the rest of the UK. Bit late. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44210753?ns_campaign=bbc_scotland_news&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=scotland Mark Carney says currency union 'economically possible' The Bank of England governor has said it would be economically possible for an independent Scotland to have a currency union with the rest of the UK. Bit late. He's supposed to be standing down next June, better get that referendum rolling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Didn't he say during the IndyRef1 it would have been impossible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Didn't he say during the IndyRef1 it would have been impossible? He wasn't long in the job and must have been under loads of political pressure from the Treasury and Downing Street, but he didn't say it was impossible, just difficult without a currency sharing deal with rUK. https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2014/sep/10/mark-carney-scotland-markets-pound-business-live#block-54106ec4e4b0ce3d9c4802eb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 They can stick their currency union. Let the rUK sink while we reach for the sky with the petrogroat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Ah f**k it lets just go for another ref, if we can’t beat these fuckers we deserve all we get. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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