When will indyref2 happen?

[Loondave1]

a) UK Government recognising Scottish Exports to other parts of the UK
b) ISBN: 978-1-78851-161-2, Published by The Scottish Government, August 2017, Produced for The Scottish Government
0/2 - must try harder.

Ach.Let them believe while their young.

[AUFC90]

a) UK Government recognising Scottish Exports to other parts of the UK
b) ISBN: 978-1-78851-161-2, Published by The Scottish Government, August 2017, Produced for The Scottish Government
0/2 - must try harder.

Wait....as an independence supporter yourself do you really think that GERS isnt made up bullshit to dampen independence ?

[bob the tank]

a) UK Government recognising Scottish Exports to other parts of the UK
b) ISBN: 978-1-78851-161-2, Published by The Scottish Government, August 2017, Produced for The Scottish Government
0/2 - must try harder.

No, 2/2 ... From the office of the secretary of state for Scotland on the link you included. Must be that SNPbad education you had.

[Peppino Impastato]

6 hours ago, strichener said:

a) UK Government recognising Scottish Exports to other parts of the UK

b) ISBN: 978-1-78851-161-2, Published by The Scottish Government, August 2017, Produced for The Scottish Government

0/2 - must try harder.

Electricity isn't listed I notice.  We export 25% of what we produce directly to England, not free of charge, we actually pay to give it to them.

[Peppino Impastato]

6 hours ago, strichener said:

a) UK Government recognising Scottish Exports to other parts of the UK

b) ISBN: 978-1-78851-161-2, Published by The Scottish Government, August 2017, Produced for The Scottish Government

0/szre,z2 - must try harder.

There is also the small matter of Scottish produced goods that are exported from England being counted as part of English GDP.  Such a renowned conspiracy theorist as the Scott finance secretary has complained twice about this in the Scottish parliament.

Then you have the fact of the twenty six figures that make up gers twenty five are provided by the British government many of which are estimates.  For example tourism.  It's, according to the British government, impossible to say how much comes from various parts of the UK so they simply allocate a population share to Scotland.  Meaning 8.3% of the UK's total tourism revenue.  However, Scotland as we all know is one of the world's premier tourist destinations and most places in the UK are not. Therefore the true figure is likely to be perhaps three or four times as much, but gers doesn't take account of this.

Anybody that believes gers is in any way accurate simply wants to as they are opposed to independence.  We are being robbed blind and lied to every year.  Check where diaego the largest whisky producer is hqd for example and compare it to where it's produced, you'll find they're not the same.

[The DA]

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[strichener]

8 hours ago, bob the tank said:

 

No, 2/2 ... From the office of the secretary of state for Scotland on the link you included. Must be that SNPbad education you had.

The Secretary of State for Scotland is a UK government position.

8 hours ago, AUFC90 said:

9 hours ago, strichener said:

a) UK Government recognising Scottish Exports to other parts of the UK
b) ISBN: 978-1-78851-161-2, Published by The Scottish Government, August 2017, Produced for The Scottish Government
0/2 - must try harder.

Wait....as an independence supporter yourself do you really think that GERS isnt made up bullshit to dampen independence ?

Regardless of it's accuracy,  it is not compiled by Westminster.

2 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Electricity isn't listed I notice.  We export 25% of what we produce directly to England, not free of charge, we actually pay to give it to them.

I think you need to define the "we" that you keep referring to when discussing electricity.  The last time I looked, electricity generation and transmission were both provided by private companies.  There is no doubt that production in Scotland is subject to extra transmission charges but our export of electricity is not a charge on Scottish people.  "We" do not pay to export electricity.

2 hours ago, Peppino Impastato said:

There is also the small matter of Scottish produced goods that are exported from England being counted as part of English GDP.  Such a renowned conspiracy theorist as the Scott finance secretary has complained twice about this in the Scottish parliament.

Then you have the fact of the twenty six figures that make up gers twenty five are provided by the British government many of which are estimates.  For example tourism.  It's, according to the British government, impossible to say how much comes from various parts of the UK so they simply allocate a population share to Scotland.  Meaning 8.3% of the UK's total tourism revenue.  However, Scotland as we all know is one of the world's premier tourist destinations and most places in the UK are not. Therefore the true figure is likely to be perhaps three or four times as much, but gers doesn't take account of this.

Anybody that believes gers is in any way accurate simply wants to as they are opposed to independence.  We are being robbed blind and lied to every year.  Check where diaego the largest whisky producer is hqd for example and compare it to where it's produced, you'll find they're not the same.

Almost makes you wonder why an independence supporting Scottish Government continues to produce such a document.

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GERS is the authoritative publication on Scotland’s public finances.

The above statement came from the Independence white paper.

Edited March 22, 2018 by strichener

[Baxter Parp]

50 minutes ago, strichener said:

The above statement came from the Independence white paper.

f**k sake, I deleted all the other shite because it's worthless pish.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/03/15/more-on-why-gers-might-properly-be-called-crap-data/

GERS may properly be called crap data

The data is compiled by ScotGov but 90% of the numbers are supplied by Westminster.  A recent ScotGov committee has recommended a root and branch overhaul of GERS in order to get accurate figures. You knew that and decided to be an arsehole about it anyway.

 

[strichener]

3 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

f**k sake, I deleted all the other shite because it's worthless pish.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/03/15/more-on-why-gers-might-properly-be-called-crap-data/

GERS may properly be called crap data

The data is compiled by ScotGov but 90% of the numbers are supplied by Westminster.  A recent ScotGov committee has recommended a root and branch overhaul of GERS in order to get accurate figures. You knew that and decided to be an arsehole about it anyway.

 

As you quite often state, it isn't me stating this but the Scottish Government.

Does that 90% include corporation tax or does the Scottish Government have their own source for these figures?

Edited March 22, 2018 by strichener

[Baxter Parp]

8 minutes ago, strichener said:

As you quite often state, it isn't me stating this but the Scottish Government.

Does that 90% include corporation tax or does the Scottish Government have their own source for these figures?

Jesus f**k.  Where would ScotGov get figures on corporation tax do you think?  Make them up out of thin air or rely on the people who collect corporation tax?  Fucksake.

[ayrmad]

3 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

f**k sake, I deleted all the other shite because it's worthless pish.

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/03/15/more-on-why-gers-might-properly-be-called-crap-data/

GERS may properly be called crap data

The data is compiled by ScotGov but 90% of the numbers are supplied by Westminster.  A recent ScotGov committee has recommended a root and branch overhaul of GERS in order to get accurate figures. You knew that and decided to be an arsehole about it anyway.

 

Why are you indulging him, he'll still be coming to terms with those pesky foreigners stealing all his fish.

[strichener]

4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Jesus f**k.  Where would ScotGov get figures on corporation tax do you think?  Make them up out of thin air or rely on the people who collect corporation tax?  Fucksake.

OK, now that we have established that it comes from Westminster, are they acccurate or, as Pep indicated previously, do they fail to allocate UK headquartered company profit accurately?

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by strichener

[Baxter Parp]

2 minutes ago, strichener said:

OK, now that we have established that it comes from Westminster, are they acccurate or, as Pep indicated previously, do they fail to allocate UK headquartered company profit accurately?

Nobody knows, that's the point.  It's crap data based on guesswork.

[John Lambies Doos]

Strichener: Yawn

[strichener]

12 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Nobody knows, that's the point.  It's crap data based on guesswork.

Not what you stated previously.

On 7/2/2014 at 10:28, Baxter Parp said:

Because they know how much Corporation Tax brings in in Scotland?

So do they know or don't they?

[Baxter Parp]

4 minutes ago, strichener said:

So do they know or don't they?

Wow, going back to 2014 to find an out of context quote in another thread, how desperate can you get? I don't know if they know, hence the question mark, dimwit.  I bet you were all excited for a wee bit, there, eh?

[Peppino Impastato]

5 hours ago, strichener said:

The Secretary of State for Scotland is a UK government position.

Regardless of it's accuracy,  it is not compiled by Westminster.

I think you need to define the "we" that you keep referring to when discussing electricity.  The last time I looked, electricity generation and transmission were both provided by private companies.  There is no doubt that production in Scotland is subject to extra transmission charges but our export of electricity is not a charge on Scottish people.  "We" do not pay to export electricity.

Almost makes you wonder why an independence supporting Scottish Government continues to produce such a document.

The above statement came from the Independence white paper.

Cause it has to you utter fanny.  The real question you should be asking is why is there a gers, a gerw, a gerni, but not a gere.  Then you see the deception.

We is Scotland as it's economic activity in Scotland that would be taxable in an independent Scotland but not counted separately as part of the UK.

[Peppino Impastato]

1 hour ago, strichener said:

OK, now that we have established that it comes from Westminster, are they acccurate or, as Pep indicated previously, do they fail to allocate UK headquartered company profit accurately?

 

Are corporation taxes paid by whisky (100% produced in Scotland) attributed to Scotland when the company is hqd in London?

You seem to like asking questions let's see you answer some.

[John Lambies Doos]

Are corporation taxes paid by whisky (100% produced in Scotland) attributed to Scotland when the company is hqd in London?

You seem to like asking questions let's see you answer some.

He never does Pep, nor does he admit even when proved wrong. A tedious bore

 

[RedRob72]

Good morning gentlemen, it’s been a wee while. In answer to the original post, the appetite for a second Ref appears to be withering. Are we now looking at beyond 2024 and enough time to reassess our position post the Brexit transition period? Maybe Nicola’s replacement will provide a new, fresh and inventive approach to Independence and a much needed impetus to the movement. Is it too early for Mhairi Black to step up?